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Autism and Inclusive Education - help desperately needed!

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bloss · 25/08/2006 02:08

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 11:19

The assigment could have been made realistic if they had used a hypothetical high functioing autistic boy (still would have had the chance to demonstrate visual timetables/strategies etc), it's this level of functioning in a mainstream classroom that is completely unrealistic.

Blandmum · 25/08/2006 11:22

agree with you. (brag alert, the boy I teach with ASD got two A* grades in his science GCSEs yesterday. Astonishingly he got two perfect scores in his synoptic papers. I have never been so proud of a child...you should have seen his face when he opened his envelope)

bloss · 25/08/2006 11:51

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Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 12:08

The dangers of letting people with no experience dream up ideas of how the world should be.......

Jimjams2 · 25/08/2006 12:10

IN this week's local paper they're shutting a day centre for adults in favour of shopping trips with carers for adults with SLD/PMLD. As a father of one young adult pointed out its not at all inclusive as his son now just gets stared at and pointed at and has lost all contact with other disabled people- ie his peer group (he was very disabled- PMLD_ not expected to survive childhood).

Blandmum · 25/08/2006 12:15

No bloody experience and no bloody common sense either! Or the basic good manners to fucking ask the poeple most involved what they think is appropriate

Rant!

It is dogma. Inclusion for all is bloody oigma and is utter bollocks. The idiots who dream this up think it is all about having a few ramps and stuff put into Braille. They don't think about the profound upset it causes these children and their families!

bloss · 25/08/2006 12:31

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Christie · 26/08/2006 20:04

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bloss · 26/08/2006 23:25

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bloss · 26/08/2006 23:27

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Jimjams2 · 26/08/2006 23:38

bloss in your situation I think I'd feed them what they wanted "visual strategies, limited language, 1:1, individualo workstation etc" and then in the final paragraph I;d say that researcfh had shown that all these were unlikely to work in practice and that special schools were needed. In that way you should get enought marks in the bulk of the essay to pass (which is the most important thing- so m iss out the last paragraph if you think it might jeopardise it).

Aftyer you've graduated I would show them this thread, because the assignment is absolute bollocks pie in the sky and if your lecturer wants to CAT me I will happily send him video of why

Christie · 27/08/2006 10:28

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Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 14:44

aww Christie - how lovely that they sent that letter. I'm always ridiculously gushingly grateful when in ds1's school-particulalry through having seen the other side.

I woould like to steal a bit from 'T''s parents' letter because ds1 too is now "at a school where he is valued for the person he is and where appropriate and realistic targets are made that will allow him to reach his full potential.". It's the way in which ds1 is valued that has been the largest gain.

Compare this: ds1's mainstream annual review:

""whilst some progress has been made this is very small and Ds1 continues to perform at a level far below his chronological age..... the stress and isolation caused to his LSA is great and a feeling of not being able to meet ds1's needs is stressful to all concerned...... staff need to receive quality inpiut with restrain procedure training.... has yet to sit conisitently on a seat independently...." and so it went on for about 8 pages.

with this- from his latest annual review:

"I am very pleased..... to say that of the 4 objectives we wet at the last reviewe we have managed to achieve 3 before his handover to class 3. Three? well two and a half actually. Not impressive? It is when you look into how much of a learning curve ds1 got himself through to get to that 2 and a half. We've come a long way- a long long way- from the ds1 who joined us all those terms ago" The report is a celebration of successes "Ds1 has made incredible strides in the amount of verbal processing his is willing to do. He will process words combined inot fairly lengthy sentences and respond to them. He is intelligent enought to process and appreciate the consequences....." Where things haven't gone to plan the reasons are explained an the alternative approach given "This curious passivity extends to most of our activities in class. I decided therefore half way throough the term to knock PECS work/exchanges for objects on the head. We will of course aim long terms for....." etc etc

The mainstrream report says " although isolated and apparently unaware of the environment ds1 appears content". WTF?????

TBH I think the 2 full reports I have here demonstrate why for ds1 mainstream failed him utterly and at every level, whilst special school is nurturing, challenging and pushing him. Would be happy to fax you copies if you want Bloss, CAT me for details.

BTW Bloss Lucy Blackman who I mentioned earlier as being similar to ds1 but having an English degree (BA (Hons) in Literary Studies from Deakin University in Geelong) is Australian. Facilitated communicaiton has been used more in Australia- I think the centre is called the Deal Centre.

MrsFio · 27/08/2006 15:22

Christie, we send our little girl to a PMLD/SLD school for those very reasons. My daughter hasnt got any behavioural problems (only ones appropriate for her immature emotional development) and is very passive by all accounts. She tries new things. Infact if I had to describe her I would describe her as a normally developing child just a lot lot slower. I have to be honest we looked at mainstream but my daughter needs to make friends with children on her level, like she does at her fantastic school. I feel she gets to be "herself" at her school, she has mates, she does her own thing, she learns, infact she is just like my NT ds in many ways because school makes all those special needs things normal for her. I dont want her ostracised, I want her to be happy and I want her to reach her full potential, which she is quite happily doing thank goodness

Jimjams2 · 27/08/2006 20:04

been pondering further on this. Another problem with the reality of the case study is they describe the boy as having "obsessive interests" really at this level of functioning they are far more likely to be "compulsions". Obsessive interests- suich a dinosaurs, planets, kings and queens, the colour green are useful to a teacher becuase they can be used to capture the child's attention, and if they change frequently - ok- you just need to keep up. Compulsions on the other hand, are not useful, they are destructive to a lesson, you can't teach someone properly if they are off to look art the cracks under doors, or off to flick lightswitches, turn on taps etc. I think - although stand to be corrected by someone like Christie with more experience that obsessive interests can stay quite static, they change, but may persist for years, whereas compulsions switch rapidly.

At school they did have to work a lot on ds1's compulsions, they had to deal with that before they could move onto teaching him. Once thing they introduced was a "break" so he could request a break- then he would sit on a certain chair for a finite time. He wasn't allowed to do anything else in this time, and he was expected to return to the activity afterwards. So it kind of taught that he could levae when things got too much, but he couldn't use it to escape doing things he didn't want to do.

bloss · 28/08/2006 00:55

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Jimjams2 · 28/08/2006 09:49

Lucy's book should be \link{http://www.bookinhand.com.au/here} as its by her and her mum!

Nope I mean compulsions can change rapidly- so this week ds1 is into shutting doors, a few weeks ago it was spotting open windows, weeing everywhere sprung up yesterday- and we hope THAT one will go as quickly. Obsessive interests - such as say dogs, computers- seem to persist for longer- Christie may correct me on that- that's just an observation from watching friends.

Erm I can't CAT, but you can email me on nezumi35 at googlemail dot com although I don't check that account very often so may take a while to get back to you with my proper one- will remind myself to check it though.

Jimjams2 · 28/08/2006 09:50

here

Christie · 28/08/2006 11:54

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Oracle · 28/08/2006 17:51

This would not be inclusion it would be humiliation well for the lad it would be. There is no way that this could be meaningful placement. The subject matter is irrelevant to someone who would not have a hope in hell of being able to use the knowledge gained (if any) the top priority here should be self help skills and effective communication. I am quite shocked and I would have great difficulty in being able to approach this assignment because it's just beyond belief or at least I hope it is.

In my opnion this should not be the kind of question that you are being asked to give thought to unless if course they are looking for the answer that I would give and that is it can't and should not be done.

Oracle

nikkie · 28/08/2006 18:45

Did you check it isn't a typo and they mean 7 yo?
This just seems such an unlikely situation.

Christie · 28/08/2006 18:58

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nikkie · 28/08/2006 19:09

That scenario just seems so unlikely!

Christie-We are going intoschool one day this week to rearrange the class room and have an inset on Monday to do prep too.Our class is changing a lot this time and we will have 3 kids on workstations , we also have a new head (old one had been at school for 40 years ) so itis a really big deal.We also don't know much about himas he is coming from away.

Christie · 28/08/2006 19:32

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nikkie · 28/08/2006 19:58

well we will have 2 on one side of the room and one on the other(next to the fire escape for when he kicks off and has to be removed) we had a very able class last year so it will be a bit of a jump at first!
There will also be 8 staff based in the class (10 kids) but some will swap in and out so prob 12-13 altogether!
I'm more worried about the new head though!