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What to do about school with no statement

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Mollychoppy · 29/01/2014 10:06

Dd1 in year 5. Dx with ADHD age 6, is not on medication. Moved schools end of year two as last school failed her miserably and she was deeply unhappy and picking her skin til it bled. Two years on at new school and she has still made no real friends and dislikes it and has started refusing again. She doesn't have a statement or an iep as isn't deemed bad enough for that. She doesn't throw chairs or anything or swear she just talks incessantly and forgets things and has some friendship issues. Her maths is pretty poor but above average for English.

We have visited a few Indy schools which would suit her perfectly but we have no chance of paying the fees unless we can secure around 80% bursary. Last school we viewed only offered 25% :( the big selective schools offer larger bursaries but dd would not cope or achieve well on the entrance tests and don't want her to feel she has failed.

Really struggling with what to do. Secondary will be a disaster I know it :( she will flounder and get into awkward situations in a large comp. I worry for her.

She is gifted and talented in sports.

Short of selling a kidney or two does anyone have any thoughts?

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autumnsmum · 29/01/2014 10:36

Unfortunately without a statement you have to go through the normal admissions process my son is in year 4 and has hfa I'm worried sick as well

Mollychoppy · 29/01/2014 10:57

Autumnsmum it's really hard isn't it :( I am so worried for her. Am terrified she will say the wrong thing and either get herself beaten up or best someone up! Aaargghhhh! Due to home situations I have emailed a trust to see if they will fund a place at an Indy school but they will only fund single parent families :( kids aRe such a worry.

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Swanhildapirouetting · 29/01/2014 11:39

Firstly, I would say that most secondaries nowadays have very good pastoral care. If she is good at English and Sport she is already likely to find a niche at a state secondary.

Secondaries often have loads of clubs that suit children who find it difficult to fit in(drama, chess, ICT, art, specialist sport), they also have the benefit of having dealt with many many types of children and needing to support them through various problems. They have the expertise that primaries often lack. Or is that just my imagination???

Ds2 has a diagnosis of ASD, and bad at sport, bad at making friends and academically quite behind, yet is already enjoying his comprehensive in West London (although it does have an Outstanding status). The SEN dept have identified a lot of his difficulties and is intervening, without any statement. He is on SA plus. He finds school very enjoyable, has the odd day when it is all too much (two refusals since Sept), and hates the homework, but we are surprised how much he does enjoy it and copes independently. We did not even have this school as our first choice as it wasn't deemed to have the right SEN expertise, yet it has proved very helpful.

Of course as you say, there is always the doubt that another school might be a better fit or more nurturing, but I would talk to a few parents whose children attend these state schools and find out how their children fare, what they like and dislike about the schools etc.

With regard to your daughter having unrecognised problems, I would go to your GP and ask that your daughter be referred to CAMHS for an assessment. You are allowed to self refer, although if the school were to list her "problems" you are more likely to get an appointment. Our ds2 was thrown out for referral, and it took us two years to get a diagnosis of ASD, which is now pretty obvious to all who meet him.

Our ds1 who has only been recently diagnosed with dyspraxia, bad at maths, bad at sport, difficulty with friendship, distracted, was never flagged up at school because his classroom behaviour was fine and he was a "lovely" boy. He should have been referred long before that, so it is completely possible that you are NOT OVERREACTING. So quite aside from the schools thing, just get the ball rolling so you can rule out any underlying issues. When we finally took him to an OT aged 13 we found he was in bottom 2 percent for motor skills, yet had successfully gone through primary without any concerns, or any IEP. I think the first term of secondary would have been a lot easier for him he had been known to have dyspraxia/organisational problems and the SEN dept had been proactive. His behaviour did deteriorate at secondary because there was no formal recognition of his skills "deficit". He loved school, and still loves it though!

sorry long post, just TMI!

Swanhildapirouetting · 29/01/2014 11:43

sorry, I missed the very important first bit, that she has been diagnosed with ADHD!!!!!! SORRY..

Surely school should then have an IEP for her if she is experiencing difficulties with friends, communication? Is she not on the SEN register at school at all? That doesn't make sense.

Swanhildapirouetting · 29/01/2014 11:48

Refusing school is another thing that should flag up concern, and the school should log that she is actually refusing it due to difficulties, and how they are resolving those difficulties.

For example, when ds2 refused at primary, I would ring up and say, He's extremely upset, and will not go in because of x. You need to sort that out. I'm only sending him in if you can organise someone to sit with him at lunchtime because that is what he has difficulty with, getting through lunch/playtime with no-one to talk to. They then found him a buddy (this was Year 5) who made a point of looking after him. Next step was a lunchtime club he enjoyed (in this case Lego). T|hen school was happy because attendance was higher and I was happy because he wanted to go in.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/01/2014 14:37

Yours is one of the saddest posts I have read on here in quite some time. The situation is that bad.

The only criteria for a statement is need of one.

You are her best - and only - advocate here. If you think she is going to flounder at secondary school then you need to act on her behalf and now because no-one else is going to do this for you.

Who on earth has deemed her needs are not severe enough; she is being failed again by school because her needs there are simply not being met. As she is not deemed as disruptive in class (some schools do not act at all unless child is chucking chairs around) her needs go unmet and ignored as a result. No wonder she is miserable, has self harmed and school refusing.

I would also now look at other schools seeing as this one is failing her so badly. She ought to at the very least have been on School Action Plus given that outside agencies have been involved and not being on that either is appallingly bad.

I would look at IPSEA's website now and apply for a statement directly to the LEA in question. www.ipsea.org.uk. You will need to give them six week to reply to your letter, note that date on your calendar.

bjkmummy · 29/01/2014 16:14

hi, im mum to a year 5 girl - she is dx with dyslexia and is really struggling. we think she probably has dyspraxia as well and she has been refered for this - I share your concerns re secondary as well. shes in a tiny school of just 20 ish kids at the moment so the thought of secondary terrifies me. the local one have already said they dont want her as she is so far behind. there is another one further away which seem so much better for children with SEN. I have applied for a statement and have been refused so I am appealing at the moment. I just wanted to say I know how terrifying it feels - im trying to stay positive and have heard that secondary can actually be better than primary for support

Stressedtothehilt · 03/02/2014 09:11

Sorry it's me I name changed. It's so hard isn't it. Dd seems stuck in an awkward place where by they don't deem her bad enough to warrant help but they do deem her bad enough to consider her annoying! It drives me nuts! Dd is so lovely and pretty and sporty and I just want her to have one good friend :( the worlds such a sad place now :( it seems in year five if you don't have a cath kidston bag and your dad's not a doctor then you don't fit in :(

Stressedtothehilt · 03/02/2014 09:13

She has never ever ever had an IEP! She is on the sen register I believe and on the g&t register but gets more for being on g&t than she does for sen! The worlds truly gone mad!

wetaugust · 03/02/2014 22:05

they don't deem her bad enough to warrant help but they do deem her bad enough to consider her annoying

You know, don't you, that it's all about money and nothing to do with need?

You know that the school has been lying to you when they say she doesn't warrant additional help. They are lying to save themselves spending money.

They are also lying through ignorance as, until a child with longterm special needs such as DD has undergone a full statory assessment, everyone, including school, who is involved with them is just giessing at what difficulties she may have.

Apply for a Statement yourself and ignore the idiots who are sitting back and letting her fail. They won;t do anything to help because when she transfers to secondary she won;t be their problem any more.

Don't let this neglect of her needs continue.

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