Does home LA or school LA provide Autism support?

[KOKOagainandagain]

Not so much about who funds it but who provides it as the LAs have different access rules and provide different things.

Also, what sort of things do they do? Can they observe and identify behaviour to target and then devise a token reward system to be delivered by the LSA?

TIA

Im not sure and I'm in a similar position. My daughter dyslexic - my home LA have no dyslexia teachers at all whilst home LA does but school haven't called anyone in and are using their LA criteria for trying to persuade me not to apply for a statement. With my son who has asd the support offered was not brilliant and I had a big dispute with my LA as the person was doing more harm than good but then I guess every area is different and I have heard of some good outreach people out there. They can do the things that you are thinking

ASD Advisory team was provided by school LA (i live in one borough and ds's school is in another). School call upon the services available to them.

ASD Advisory can be very helpful and do the things you say.

bjk - sorry your provision was crap

Claw - I thought this might be case as the diagnosis is from the NHS in the school rather than home LA. The home LA is more likely to attempt to challenge or insist on additional assessments by their own doctors for statementing reasons - I thought the 'N' in NHS stood for National

DS1 was referred to support services in the home county but DS2 has been referred to support services in the school county.

Thanks

You can make a referral yourself.

Regardless of who funds or who wants to argue the toss, its not your problem, its theirs. Works the same as ever other service, if a need has been identified, they have to meet. One LA, can fund the other if need be.

Home LA will insist on additional assessments, what for? providing ASD Advisory?

Sorry - being a bit 'thick' here

Is ASD Advisory a national service? The NHS in these parts refers parents on to local advisory/support services when a child is diagnosed. In the home LA, we were only able to access services once we had a diagnosis for DS1. Access is dependent on a 'clear diagnosis' so I can see the potential for delay here (ie need it in writing first).

Needing a dx is something that old school tried to palm me off with. A dx isn't needed. Being 'suspected' of ASD was good enough.

Not a national service, as such. A service provided by LA, which schools (or supposedly parents) can call upon.

It might vary from area to area. Here we have a 'advisory teaching service'. Have you tried googling your borough and 'advisory teaching service' or 'specialist advisory teaching service'

Here it is on LA's website and lists what it covers.

Thanks claw. It was all rather irrelevant for DS1 as he is at OOC Indi and his NHS diagnosis followed private dx.

DS2 saw the consultant paed at the neurology clinic. She diagnosed him within minutes. She is referring him for ADOS but as the lead clinician will diagnose regardless of the result. It was bizarre. I took no paperwork at all and even opened by saying that he was not a problem at home

I can't believe the difference between the process given that DS1 is a million times more challenging.

Polter - does that mean you have/are asked to complete a CAF?

I cant believe they are making it so difficult for you to access. It is kind of a standard service, which requires little more than school filling out a referral form and asking for the service. It is an 'outreach' service if you like, where school can call upon the services of someone with more experience of ASD.

In this borough the LA have a 'specialist team'. In previous borough, it was a teacher from a specialist school, as they didn't have a 'team'.

Claw - up until the dx on Friday pm the school were denying. Now Senco is saying 'I thought it was ASD not ADHD'

Still very new for them in dismantling their blocks to support.

I think you understand

Yep all too well Keep

I was told no ASD without a dx, so I contacted them directly and was told oh no, suspected of ASD or ASD type behaviours is enough for a referral. I then wrote to SENCO saying thanks for offering to refer, I had spoken to X and the referral process was now X, so could she now go ahead and make the referral, thank you very much.

Anyway of finding out name of person involved? or where they refer to?

I don't want to chase them to be efficient given I am appealing. So now the school are giving the first 6k (before cost of autism outreach) I will stop. If I am directly involved in what the LA will present as success at tribunal, I am shooting myself in the foot. I will let their failure and incompetence speak for itself.

Senco has not been following advice for years (written trail) and left to his own devices will ignore this latest advice. It is not in mine or DS2's interests to expend any energy trying to force him now. 'Give him enough rope' is my philosophy.

Oh I see, I thought you wanted the intervention. [doh me!]

Have they suggested CAF to you?

Claw - I do want the intervention and DS2 needs it but I want actual, real, effective intervention not a pretence delivered on the cheap. Therefore I want a statement and I want him out.

I don't want to waste years again now that I have seen the damage.

Polt - be interesting to see what they offer. Maybe is because we all complain about diagnosis followed by discharge.

Yep I know exactly what you mean. You might find that with a statement in place, the need for ASD Advisory is a bit redundant.

I know. I don't have great expectations but it is a process we need to go through.

DS2 is ok for now but does not sleep in his own bed about 3 or 4 nights a week now, is increasingly ticy, seeking sensory deprivation etc - all since transition to KS2. He and DS1 are triggering each other

I found with ds's school, they 'called' upon ASD Advisory just to tick a box. Although once called upon ASD Advisory were told 'no difficulties'. Just so that AA could report 'school handling well, no input required' and give a pat on the back!

Oh dear, how far in statementing process are you? is there light at the end of tunnel yet?

Early on claw - initial refusal to assess appeal.

Hang on in there Keep. ASD Advisory can be useful, if called upon for the right reasons. IF SENCO does manage to sort it out, ASD Advisory should also be meeting with you to discuss concerns.