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Semantic Pragmatic Language Disorder

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Eulalia · 03/03/2004 21:26

Apologies this is a bit long but I thought rather than retyping a load of stuff I would just copy and paste the document I gave to my educational psychologist who is very interested in this area.

Examples of Ds?s Semantic Pragmatic Language Disorder (age 4.5)

Ds had language skills from an early age which was appropriate to age, but he soon fell behind. His receptive language skills were fairly good when understanding concrete objects around him. However it became apparent at age 3 that he hadn?t moved on in terms of talking in more than one or two words together. He also made no attempt to talk about things around him. Even when questioned he didn?t attempt to answer and I was usually just met with a blank look. One day when he was about 3.5 I asked him what he had done at Playgroup and he finally said ?painting?. He was also engaging in quite a bit of echolalia at this time and I also began to notice idiosyncrasies in his speech and understand of language. On another occasion I asked him what he?d done at Playgroup ? I had only got to ?what did you ....?? when he interrupted me and said ?painting?. He hadn?t done painting at all that day ? his response was just a one word answer to the trigger question and bore no relation to reality.

His speech improved around age 4 but he still tended to repeat a lot of phrases over and over and would repeatedly ask for things till he got them.

Ds used to make up his own words eg ?bruined? when something wasn?t working or spoiled. I think this was a combination of ?broken? and ?ruined?.

A couple of months ago he was confusing me by asking for ?cold bread?. I spread some peanut butter on some bread but he didn?t want it. I started making some toast for dd and he said I want hot bread. He was actually asking for toast but decided instead that it was hot bread but had exchanged hot and cold.

He once most confusingly asked me when I handed him a piece of toast, ?I want some toast on it? - how can you put something on itself? I realised that he actually wanted margarine on it but because toast and margarine go together he had linked the two words. He was actually asking for margarine on the toast.

Ds often confuses opposites, eg in/out (?let the cat out? when the cat is already outside), upstairs/downstairs, on/off. He may say ?take my coat on?, rather than ?put my coat on? (confusing ?taking off? and ?putting on? ). Most conjunctions present a problem including ?or?. He finds a choice quite confusing and it is easier just to ask if he wants one thing, than wait for an answer before offering another. In general he finds relational words difficult, eg ?middle?. He finds words such as ?faster?, ?quicker? and ?louder? confusing and may mix them up and ask me to do something louder when he actually means faster.

Another example is using words that sound alike eg ?I want some bread soup? - Ds was definitely saying bread, and I finally worked out he meant ?red? soup which is actually tomato soup... so quite a leap from bread soup to tomato soup but this is the kind of linking I have to do. He thinks because bread and red sound the same then he can use either word.

He also calls ?crisps?, ?Christmas?.

Ds may also miss out part of a word. He had pasta at Nursery one day. I asked him and he said ?asta? ? I said you mean ?pasta? but he insisted it was called ?asta? enunciating it quite clearly without the p.

On the other hand he may add unnecessary words. Before he knew the phrase ?turn round? he would come out with phrases such as ?Mummy turn your head on your neck? if he wanted me to face him.

Ds finds the word ?not? difficult at times. He may say ?it?s working? when he means ?it?s not working?. He may also ignore words such as ?don?t? at the beginning of a sentence. So will ignore instructions to ?not do X? because he hasn?t acknowledged the not/don?t word. This can have important implications for commands such as ?don?t run into the road? which should be phrased in a different way. It is better to tell him to do something rather than to not do something as Ds finds it hard to visualise not doing something.

For some time he would use one core word to cover many different aspects or functions eg ?teeth?. This was referring to the objects itself but also extended to the toothbrush.

At the moment he is using the word ?funnel? to mean a funnel on a train but also a chimney and exhaust pipe from a car. He is concentrating on the action of the smoke coming out of the pipe rather than what it is attached to.

Ds is still having some problems with talking about himself and using ?I?. He is trying but gets mixed up. At the moment if he wants help putting on clothes he will say ?you do it for myself? which is partly an echoed phrase of me asking if he wants to something himself,

His speech can be a bit incoherent, at times not forming words properly, and he may start a sentence a few times over in a stammering manner as if searching for the right words. He may say ?oh I can?t think of it? and sort of bang his head in frustration.

Ds sometimes says ?please? and ?thank you? but isn?t consistent. He seems to think they are ?empty? words as he doesn?t understand the concept of politeness.

Ds uses few facial expressions and his voice can appear flat and monotonous at times. (However he can sing quite well and in tune!) He can also speak at an unnecessarily high volume. He may also ?bark? out commands, ?Mummy come this way? and expect me to come immediately. He is just starting to understand ?wait? but saying it doesn?t always mean that he will stop requesting whatever he wants over and over till he gets it. He is now also starting to understand ?later? which is very useful as it means he will now stop a task/activity and understand he can return to it.

Ds finds very abstract terms such as ?sister? very difficult. Things either are one thing or the other, and he is quite resistant to the idea that dd is both called dd and his sister. However he now understands that she is a girl and he is a boy. He also finds questions such as ?why did you do that?? impossible to answer. I don?t think he understands what ?why? means and also finds it difficult to connect a sequence of events.

February 2004

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mrsforgetful · 17/03/2004 01:18

that is amazing!! thanks for remembering me!

Tartegnin · 19/03/2004 15:41

Just a really HUGE THANK YOU to this thread and this site - we've been struggling with understanding what's "wrong" with our daughter for three years. I happened on this thread and BINGO, it rang so many bells. We've pointed our specialists in this direction to look more into SPD. We're living in Switzerland, so have limited access to English language specialists, but will now pursue this more actively. Finally, I feel like we have a starting point and can begin to DO SOMETHING instead of just sitting around wondering.

THANK YOU AGAIN!

KPB · 19/03/2004 16:35

Have you read this article:-
www.hyperlexia.org/sp1.html
It is really well written and explains in detail, but in parent-friendly format, about SPD.
We think our dd has this, but haven't got a definite diagnosis!
GOOD LUCK and hope this helps.

Eulalia · 20/03/2004 12:48

Not been to the SPD forum yet KPB but haven't forgotten. Off to read your article in a mo...thanks.

Tartegnin - hi there and glad that all this info has helped - is this the first time you've been on Mumsnet?

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KPB · 20/03/2004 21:13

Most parents that have an SPD child only realise once they have read this article!!! I laughed so much when I read it as they have a section explaining the symptoms in a 0-2 year old, it was my dd down to a "T". Although DD is making excellent progress in her speech and language, so the future is looking a lot brighter than it was when she was 2!!!!

KPB · 21/03/2004 10:26

Does anyone know if SPD is graded ie mild SPD - severe SPD, just curious!!!

JJ · 21/03/2004 11:12

Tartegnin, we're going to London tomorrow (my 2 1/2 yo son and I) to get his speech and language evaluated. Some of this stuff set bells off for me -- but that might just be like anything else, everyone has some symptoms (she says, keeping her hopes up). ANYWAY, the relevance is that I'm in Switzerland, too, in the Zuri Oberland. If you'd like at chat, email me. I'll be back on Wednesday evening.

I've been extremely bad at keeping up with mumsnet lately -- apologies to everyone who I've left without a response in the past few months.

The info on this thread has been extremely helpful. I do like to prepare for things and am going through all the links now.

Thanks again, all, esp Eulalia and KPB for the info you've posted.

JJ · 21/03/2004 11:23

Another question: is hyperlexia a necessary condition for SPD?

Jimjams · 21/03/2004 12:33

hyperlexia is seperate- but true hyperlexia- reading without understanding at a very early age is often seen in autistic spectrum disorders. It isn't a "requirement" though. The link is often there becuase autistic kids (and those with related conditions such as semantic pragmatic disorder) are often good at pattern recognition. PLenty of autistic etc kids without hyperlxia though- in fact often dyslexia goes with these sorts of conditions.

Good luck with the appointments.

Jimjams · 21/03/2004 12:47

Oh just realised I repeated what Davros had already said

mrsforgetful · 21/03/2004 13:27

just a quick question....Alex will be 5 in 6 weeks time- should he be still refering to girls as 'he/his' etc.....bearing in mind ASD features strongly in our home?!

Jimjams · 21/03/2004 13:43

I don't think so MrsF- although the occasional slip obviously wouldn't mean anything. I don't know that much about HFA/AS though so I could be wrong.

JJ · 21/03/2004 14:09

Thanks Jimjams -- I read her post and was too dim to get that!

MrsF, my son (6) mixes them up constantly and is NT. I do too, for that matter, when I'm talking too fast to think.

Will let you know how it goes with the appts. We'll know in a couple of weeks -- they send the evaluations. I do think it's a hearing thing. He has other symptoms and a family history of dodgy ears/tubes/the like. Or I'm a crap mother. Can easily believe that one, too!

KPB · 21/03/2004 16:37

My dd mixes up he/she - common with language disordered children, although she is getting better.

Eulalia · 21/03/2004 20:47

JJ - my ds doesn't have hyperlexia. agree with the pattern recogition though - ds was mixing up a couple of his videos and the font the title was written in was exactly the same - completely different words though!

Good luck with your appointment tomorrow.

KPB _I would say that there would be different grades of SPD but it is probably something that will get better as the child gets older and learns to cope with it. I guess also it depends on learning difficulties the child may also have.

I've read that article you posted a long time ago but was good to review it again. BTW does your dd draw? it said that SPD children rarely draw. my ds loves drawng although he only started a month or so ago and went from doing just lines and circles to a whole bus with people inside in a week!

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KPB · 21/03/2004 21:17

Eulalia - Dd loves drawing, arts and craft and painting. It wasn't until she was about 3.5 that she really got into it. She would just draw all over my walls!!!
Dd has also just started to write simple words and wrote a simple message in my Mothers Day card - it was so sweet. Her drawings are becoming really good and quite detailed. the only strange thing that she does is that she nearly always draws my mums cat somewhere in the drawing!!!

Tartegnin · 22/03/2004 08:17

KPB and Eulalia - thanks for the info and kind words. I've been dipping in an out of Mumsnet for about a year, but mostly for travel and shopping info, I must admit. It's really only because I saw "Special Needs" above "Travel" that I found this board ... so very helpful. (So is the travel board, by the way!)

JJ: Great to find another Mom in Switzerland, even if in a different canton - we're in Vaud, between Geneva and Lausanne. I'll be really curious to hear about your London experience. We've been thinking of doing something similar. We've had pretty frustrating experiences with the Swiss system - of course exacerbated by language issues - it seems quite "laid back" at a time when we want some action! We found some very good English language specialists in Geneva, but access is still a problem. We'd really like to have a proper assessment and action plan. I'm American and my husband's English, so we could use UK (easier to get to) or US (easier to plug into). Let me know your experience.

Thanks again to all and I will keep up on this page.

KPB · 22/03/2004 12:35

Do they call it SPD in Switzerland,. It's just that I have heard that some disorders are labelled differently in other countries!

Tartegnin · 22/03/2004 14:47

Well, they could well call it something different here, but we haven't really received any actual diagnosis. Just tests and some "kind of" results - but nothing definite. I'm not sure that the Educational Psychologist or the Speech Therapist (US/Swiss trained and UK trained, respectively) have heard of it, but we provided them links to some of these articles, so, we'll see. If it's really SPD, working with Swiss specialists probably won't help, since we'll need plenty of English-based therapy. We've move DD from a French-speaking nursery school into an English language pre-school program and it seems to have helped quite a bit. Now, we need some really involved therapy, I think.

dinosaur · 22/03/2004 14:50

Mrsf - only just seen your question below - my nt ds2 muddles up he and she as well.

My understanding is that this is not particularly significant or auti - what is significant is muddling up "I" and "you" and "mine" and "yours". To give an example, if I asked DS1 (the autistic one) to point to "your" nose, he used to point at my nose rather than his. DS2 muddles up "he" and "she" but is quite clear on who he is and who I am, iyswim.

KPB · 22/03/2004 16:48

Dd definitely knows the difference between you and I, but struggles with he/she!

KPB · 22/03/2004 16:49

Oh yeah, and she definitely knows the difference between your and mine. "Mine" is a word used frequently by dd!!!

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