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Semantic Pragmatic Language Disorder

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Eulalia · 03/03/2004 21:26

Apologies this is a bit long but I thought rather than retyping a load of stuff I would just copy and paste the document I gave to my educational psychologist who is very interested in this area.

Examples of Ds?s Semantic Pragmatic Language Disorder (age 4.5)

Ds had language skills from an early age which was appropriate to age, but he soon fell behind. His receptive language skills were fairly good when understanding concrete objects around him. However it became apparent at age 3 that he hadn?t moved on in terms of talking in more than one or two words together. He also made no attempt to talk about things around him. Even when questioned he didn?t attempt to answer and I was usually just met with a blank look. One day when he was about 3.5 I asked him what he had done at Playgroup and he finally said ?painting?. He was also engaging in quite a bit of echolalia at this time and I also began to notice idiosyncrasies in his speech and understand of language. On another occasion I asked him what he?d done at Playgroup ? I had only got to ?what did you ....?? when he interrupted me and said ?painting?. He hadn?t done painting at all that day ? his response was just a one word answer to the trigger question and bore no relation to reality.

His speech improved around age 4 but he still tended to repeat a lot of phrases over and over and would repeatedly ask for things till he got them.

Ds used to make up his own words eg ?bruined? when something wasn?t working or spoiled. I think this was a combination of ?broken? and ?ruined?.

A couple of months ago he was confusing me by asking for ?cold bread?. I spread some peanut butter on some bread but he didn?t want it. I started making some toast for dd and he said I want hot bread. He was actually asking for toast but decided instead that it was hot bread but had exchanged hot and cold.

He once most confusingly asked me when I handed him a piece of toast, ?I want some toast on it? - how can you put something on itself? I realised that he actually wanted margarine on it but because toast and margarine go together he had linked the two words. He was actually asking for margarine on the toast.

Ds often confuses opposites, eg in/out (?let the cat out? when the cat is already outside), upstairs/downstairs, on/off. He may say ?take my coat on?, rather than ?put my coat on? (confusing ?taking off? and ?putting on? ). Most conjunctions present a problem including ?or?. He finds a choice quite confusing and it is easier just to ask if he wants one thing, than wait for an answer before offering another. In general he finds relational words difficult, eg ?middle?. He finds words such as ?faster?, ?quicker? and ?louder? confusing and may mix them up and ask me to do something louder when he actually means faster.

Another example is using words that sound alike eg ?I want some bread soup? - Ds was definitely saying bread, and I finally worked out he meant ?red? soup which is actually tomato soup... so quite a leap from bread soup to tomato soup but this is the kind of linking I have to do. He thinks because bread and red sound the same then he can use either word.

He also calls ?crisps?, ?Christmas?.

Ds may also miss out part of a word. He had pasta at Nursery one day. I asked him and he said ?asta? ? I said you mean ?pasta? but he insisted it was called ?asta? enunciating it quite clearly without the p.

On the other hand he may add unnecessary words. Before he knew the phrase ?turn round? he would come out with phrases such as ?Mummy turn your head on your neck? if he wanted me to face him.

Ds finds the word ?not? difficult at times. He may say ?it?s working? when he means ?it?s not working?. He may also ignore words such as ?don?t? at the beginning of a sentence. So will ignore instructions to ?not do X? because he hasn?t acknowledged the not/don?t word. This can have important implications for commands such as ?don?t run into the road? which should be phrased in a different way. It is better to tell him to do something rather than to not do something as Ds finds it hard to visualise not doing something.

For some time he would use one core word to cover many different aspects or functions eg ?teeth?. This was referring to the objects itself but also extended to the toothbrush.

At the moment he is using the word ?funnel? to mean a funnel on a train but also a chimney and exhaust pipe from a car. He is concentrating on the action of the smoke coming out of the pipe rather than what it is attached to.

Ds is still having some problems with talking about himself and using ?I?. He is trying but gets mixed up. At the moment if he wants help putting on clothes he will say ?you do it for myself? which is partly an echoed phrase of me asking if he wants to something himself,

His speech can be a bit incoherent, at times not forming words properly, and he may start a sentence a few times over in a stammering manner as if searching for the right words. He may say ?oh I can?t think of it? and sort of bang his head in frustration.

Ds sometimes says ?please? and ?thank you? but isn?t consistent. He seems to think they are ?empty? words as he doesn?t understand the concept of politeness.

Ds uses few facial expressions and his voice can appear flat and monotonous at times. (However he can sing quite well and in tune!) He can also speak at an unnecessarily high volume. He may also ?bark? out commands, ?Mummy come this way? and expect me to come immediately. He is just starting to understand ?wait? but saying it doesn?t always mean that he will stop requesting whatever he wants over and over till he gets it. He is now also starting to understand ?later? which is very useful as it means he will now stop a task/activity and understand he can return to it.

Ds finds very abstract terms such as ?sister? very difficult. Things either are one thing or the other, and he is quite resistant to the idea that dd is both called dd and his sister. However he now understands that she is a girl and he is a boy. He also finds questions such as ?why did you do that?? impossible to answer. I don?t think he understands what ?why? means and also finds it difficult to connect a sequence of events.

February 2004

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mrsforgetful · 07/03/2004 22:24

this is sooo interesting- thanks to you all removing my 'blinkers'!!

Davros · 07/03/2004 22:51

Thanks Eulalia, I think what I was trying to say (badly!) is that hyperlexia may not be "functional" for some people. It can sometimes therefore be a bit of a red herring.

KPB · 08/03/2004 18:07

Eulalia, What I meant to say in my last post is that the link to the LadyA site can be done on the forum site - parents spd site. The LadyA site is more asd based although LadyA's son has a spd as well. Also, this site doen't have things floating. You can stop the "floaters" by clicking on one of them!

Davros · 08/03/2004 18:52

KPB, sorry to be dumb, I can't find the LadyA site through the SPD one..... Presumably LadyA is Lady Astor? Can you direct me?

KPB · 08/03/2004 19:06

Davros, The website address is:-
uk.geocities.com/ladyavenger/index.htm
Let me know what you think!
Sorry, should've done that in the first place!

Eulalia · 08/03/2004 19:42

Thanks from me too.

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Davros · 08/03/2004 20:57

Ooooer, she doesn't look like Lady Astor! I've put it in favourites and will have a good look tomorrow, thanks KPB

KPB · 08/03/2004 21:03

No problems, I hope you find it useful!!!

KPB · 09/03/2004 22:10

Eulalia and davros - How did you get on with the Lady A (ooooer!!!) site. Did you find it of any interest?

Eulalia · 09/03/2004 22:16

I had a meeting this evening but will look tomorrow.

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Davros · 10/03/2004 08:42

Excuses from me too! Had a weird disjointed day yesterday, lunch with a friend today so will look later.

KPB · 10/03/2004 12:01

No pressure, honest! I was just being nosey - sorry!

KPB · 11/03/2004 19:36

Eulalia - just out of interest who dx your ds's spd and asd. Also intersted to hear from anyone else re. this as my dd only has the dx "language disorder", although suspected spd. I just feel that I would like it to be official but not sure how to go about it?

coppertop · 11/03/2004 21:34

We got our dx of ASD from a Consultant Paediatrician at the Child Development Centre. The HV had referred ds1 to the SALT. The SALT referred him to the CDC. We had a preliminary assessment with the Paed, who told us it was almost certainly AS/ASD. She referred us for a full assessment which was done during one week (SALT Psych, OT, Physio). Everyone got together at the end of the week to give their reports and opinions, and the Paed gave us her official dx.

I think what you need is someone to refer you to a CDC. As I said, it was our SALT wh
o did this for us.

Eulalia · 13/03/2004 18:53

Sorry not been on last few days - our computer crashed but is OK now.

KPB - ds had his first 'provisional' diagnosis made by a paediatrician much the same as coppertop and likewise he had a more intensive assessment so the SPLD dx was made by a SALT. The irony of it is that he is still yet to receive any SALT because the waiting list is so long in our area.

Anyway ask your doctor if you can be referred for more specialist assessment.

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suedonim · 13/03/2004 19:26

Eulalia! I wondered where you were, I've been looking for you.

I don't know if this is of use to you but there's going to be a info day in South Aberdeenshire next Sat (20th) that looks interesting. It's run by SCILL (Supporting Children in Learning For Life). Presentations will be: Is It Dyslexia: What Is Autism? Hearing/Listening, What's The Difference? Listening, Movement, Learning and Life: Inclusion Through Technology: Sensory Perception: Visual Dyslexia, Fact or Fiction.

There will also be stands and displays from relevant organisations. The day is free and you can get more info on 01330 824864 or email [email protected] It may well be that they run something similar in your area, of course, but I thought it might be relevant.

KPB · 13/03/2004 22:03

Thanks for that Coppertop and Eulalia. Dd sees a SALT most days at school and cannot access SALT apart from school. The school felt that dd had a SPD, which is what I think as well. It's just making it official, maybe I should wait for dd's annual review in July and hopefully it will be mentioned then. At least with dd's current dx "Language disorder" we are still accesing everything that she needs. We have seen loads of people re. dx but maybe will ask for a second opinion if not satisfied with this. Some of the mums in the unit have taken their children to Great Ormond Street to see a paed. apparently it only cost £100 for a full assessment.

mrsforgetful · 14/03/2004 14:53

KPB- if you find out anymore on the £100 assesment- let me know!!! I started looking into private assements- then got put off by £500 fees! I hate to put a price on my childrens health- but assuming i needed 3 assements- i just cannot afford it.

suedonim · 14/03/2004 15:09

Eulalia, did you see my post further down on this thread? Just didn't want you to miss out, if it's helpful for you.

Eulalia · 14/03/2004 17:45

Thanks suedonim - I am in South Aberdeenshire so that could be very useful to me. I will contact them. thanks again.

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Eulalia · 14/03/2004 18:12

KPB - I checked out the Lady Avenger site - v good. Got some useful links and have copied some stuff to read later. Thanks.

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KPB · 14/03/2004 18:26

Great Eulalia - really glad you found it useful. Information is power (corny but true!). Have you been on the SPD one yet? KPB

KPB · 14/03/2004 18:27

Mrs F, basically you are referred by your GP for a second opinion. I am going to an Afasic meeting on the 23rd March so can find out for certain for you.

mrsforgetful · 14/03/2004 22:15
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KPB · 15/03/2004 20:24

Mrs F, Spoke to the Mum today. She said that you ask your gp to send you for a 2nd opinion to Great Ormond Street Paed. The cost has gone up to £145, which still isn't bad considering.