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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

Just been made aware of this new funding initiative

51 replies

Perchkin · 07/01/2014 13:33

Thought you'd all be interested.

New £30 million fund for more than 1,800 independent supporters to help parents navigate the new special educational needs process:

www.gov.uk/government/news/30-million-for-new-special-educational-needs-champions

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bochead · 07/01/2014 13:35

How do we apply Wink?

2tirednot2fight · 07/01/2014 19:12

Don't know but it sounds good doesn't it, twelve in each LA sounds like a high number to me, wonder where the funding will be taken from to fund this though?

lougle · 07/01/2014 19:47

If you read the footnotes, you'll see that they are going to be inviting applications from organisations within the private, voluntary and community sector, who believe they can offer independent supporters from within their ranks.

That means, I believe, that they will put contracts out for tender. Bearing in mind that the total budget is £30,000,000 for 1,800 independent supporters, that means that per person, the budget is £16,666.66 per supporter, including training and on-costs. So I imagine those supporters are going to be taking a salary of around £14k if they are lucky.

2tirednot2fight · 07/01/2014 19:53

Not a lot is it? But then the barristers on TV reckon many earn much lower sums than I would have thought.

I wonder if they will all be paid workers or if there may be regional organisers on better pay recruiting volunteer champions, after all organisations such as IPSEA have only a small number of paid staff I think?

AgnesDiPesto · 07/01/2014 20:02

Previous DFE schemes under this govt have given money to charities to use voulunteers but perhaps these will be paid. Money is only until March 2016 then I assume it will be up to councils to fund - assuming the £30m is govt not council money. It may be part of money given to councils to implement reforms. The entire budget for all CABs per year is £76million. Seems to me be better to put sen champions into existing advice organisations which usually have in house solicitor and updating rather than lots of unaccountable individuals. Will they be insured if they give negligent advice? Who will give the training and make sure its accurate?

2tirednot2fight · 07/01/2014 20:13

Maybe other voluntary organisations will put resources into the pot?

I agree about the need for legal advice but feel equally with the new combined plans that folks with other specialist knowledge would be beneficial, almost like multi agency hubs?

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:14

Quick Lougle you wanna form a charity?

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:16

And Boch.

And anyone else?

Trouble is, the vetting process won't be transparent and they'll be looking for a 'particular type' of profile for the work.

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:18

They won't necessarily be salaried though.

I imagine most of it is to be spent as a reward for CDC's Loyalty on admin.

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:18

Will they be FOI-able?

lougle · 07/01/2014 21:23

Grin Star!

lougle · 07/01/2014 21:24

What would the name be? MNSN?? Wink I reckon we do quite well here.

Nigel1 · 07/01/2014 21:27

Its not just the role its also the skill base and the quality of the expert reports that will drive a case to success. What guarantee will there be that the individual will be able to do what they think is necessary without the LA rules getting in the way?
How will this change over PPS volunteers?
Devil in the detail me thinks.
Also £14k does not say that we value you much and does not take into account management and training overheads.

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:30

Oh yeah. I'd take the £16k, reinvest it into the charity and then signpost parents here.

lougle · 07/01/2014 21:31

None of the supporters are going to see £14k, Nigel.

Also, remember, the role is only in helping the parents navigate the system - not advocate for an advantageous outcome. It's most likely a sign-posting and support role, not an advocacy role.

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:32

Oh yeah. I'd take the £16k, reinvest it into the charity and then signpost parents here.

2tirednot2fight · 07/01/2014 21:40

I understand the view that the funds could be used differently, more effectively in terms of outcomes for children but twelve supporters would be an improvement in terms of number of Parent partnership supporters in most LA s wouldn't it?

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:47

I suppose that depends on whether you think Parent Partnership is a valuable service.

I think PP 'could' be valuable if they stopped pretending they were independent and had legal knowledge and instead marketed themselves as people who could support and help parents navigate the nuances of their LA and their LA policies. i.e. a friendly insider.

StarlightMcKingsThree · 07/01/2014 21:47

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/lords/todays-lords-debates/read/unknown/120/ Interesting perspective on the provision in North Yorkshire by Baroness Eaton

inappropriatelyemployed · 07/01/2014 22:30

There is a difference between what the CDC is saying in this which suggests these IS are about working with families when asked by LAs to build up the families' "resilience" and what was suggested on the DfE website, namely that they are going to help parents challenge the system -seehere

The CDC/NCB summary uses very worrying language. If these 'champions' are there to help parents get provision why is the CDC defending support as a way of avoiding a culture of dependency?

The CDC is overseeing this and there Q&A does not suggest that they are intended to do an IPSEA like role at all

AgnesDiPesto · 08/01/2014 09:29

There used to be community health councils who advocated / supported parents with health complaints and worked well - why not something similar for SEN. I don't agree with setting up a ragbag of individuals managed by different vol organisations, overseen by CDC. That is an accountability nightmare - diff workers could be getting vastly different training and support. I also suspect the supporters will be given only the training the councils / govt want them to have. Will they support parents using personal budgets for home programmes / private SLT etc? Wasn't the brokerage service already announced supposed to help parents with budgets?

PP training here consists of doing the old ACE online SEN course (once), little undating on law. They often confuse council policy for the law. Their knowledge is very poor.

We also have parent supporters in some (more deprived) local schools and children's centres here (employed by council) who are usually parents doing some part-time work helping more disadvantaged parents and just do signposting (debt, benefits, housing, behaviour problems etc).

You could buy a lot of top quality advice and support for £30 million.

Its not just about training in SEN and law. Advice workers also need to know how to deal with difficult clients, how to safeguard themselves when visiting the public (and have back up), how to manage people with mental health conditions, need to have a supervisor / senior person to go to with queries, know how to manage boundaries (often clients want you to do more and more e.g. write letters for them, go to meetings etc). Then theres the admin - submitting expenses and getting them paid, FOI, complaints etc etc. Then some of the 'clients' will be children with no parents e.g. in care - that requires special training.

What does CDC know about advice work?

The press does seem confused. Some people are saying the supporters are PP replacement, some say they are key workers, some just to support and signpost.

I can pretty much imagine I would be vetoed from a job as one as being an SEN militant!

The NAS got funding 2-3 years ago do run a family rights service - it had to recruit and train volunteers to give basic advice to parents around the country about benefits, social care, education etc. I know someone who became a volunteer. He only got asked to do about 2 sessions (after a long training period). Far fewer sessions were run than expected due to NAS staffing issues. The supervisor kept changing. Because NAS had to show DFE they had got enough bums on seats the NAS emailed its own volunteer advice workers to go to sessions (even though they were not in need of family rights training!). It was a dogs dinner. There have been a number of these gimmicks which haven't really led to any real impact.

It does seem to be stuffing the pockets of key charities (and now local ones) to keep them on board with govt policy. Because if you were going to set up a service of well trained indep supporters you would set up one organisation, with central training and admin (or use an existing one like CAB) not divvy the money up to lots of local groups.

bochead · 08/01/2014 10:08

Can we not piggyback off IE's work to put in a bid?

inappropriatelyemployed · 08/01/2014 12:54

Excellent post Agnes. Perhaps we could put a formal letter of questions together to go to the CDC and DfE and ask them to set out the position more clearly? Inclunding how this figure was reached!

There is no clarity at all on the roles of IS and this makes oversight and accountability almost impossible. Are they advice workers (it seems not according to CDC - save for signposting perhaps), are they there to tell you what county policy is on PBs etc (most LAs don't know what their policies are!) or are they assigned to deal with 'families in crisis' or 'troubled families'?
A particularly worrying suggestion from the CDC summary was that this could be about the selection of families by LAs.

The CDC does not suggest a right of access by all families going through the programme

NoRunAround · 08/01/2014 15:55

I think the details have to be fleshed out still, however I had an interesting conversation with a PP officer today. She anticipated that they would have to extend their office space to accommodate the new ISs.

It would seem to suggest that ISs will be based, in my LA anyway, with PP, which is within the SEN department at the LA.

It was also explained to me that the new ISs will be like PPs, but while the PPS is universally available to parents who have children with SEN, the IS service will be selective.

inappropriatelyemployed · 08/01/2014 17:19

A selective service for £30 million - what on earth is their purpose and remit? This lack of transparency is unacceptable