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Dayshiftdoris · 15/10/2013 21:56

I need my hand holding.

I can't go into huge detail because its too complex and my brain hurts to think about it.

My son has had 3 school moves by yr 5 and basically it looks like we can't continue any longer without support from a local special school.

His statement isn't right, he needs to not move again but both schools (his current & the special school) are being very supportive.

I just can't contemplate that he is going to specialist education and I am scared for him. It might only be integration or a dual registration at this stage but I am so far away from where I expected to be...

So if I could have my hand held please I would be very very grateful Sad

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PolterGoose · 15/10/2013 21:59

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Dayshiftdoris · 15/10/2013 22:05

Thank you... I am determined to not be railroaded - my son needs to feel he hasn't been failed or failed in his current school - it's vital x

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popgoestheweezel · 15/10/2013 22:24

I'm sorry you're going through this, I am very nearly on the same road myself and its a difficult position to be in. Fortunately, the speed with which LEAs normally act should give you plenty of time to consider your position and make the best choice for your ds.

Dayshiftdoris · 15/10/2013 22:28

Pop

It will initially be a gentlemans agreement I think so may well happen very quickly...

The school share a grounds

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popgoestheweezel · 15/10/2013 22:41

I see. What is it that scares you about the special school? I only ask as ds' head suggested a part-time mainstream/part-time special school might be good for ds, however the ss is several miles away from current school for ds. I don't like the idea mainly as ds is very sociable but needs very good role models to emulate, also I know someone who teaches at the school in question and she says they could not support him academically.

wetaugust · 15/10/2013 23:13

Doris

Don't see moving schools again as a negative thing. Look at it as a positive move which means he is finally getting a placement that's more suited to his needs.

Dayshiftdoris · 15/10/2013 23:32

Pop

It's the academic level issue and just being out of what is 'normally' done

Plus it's all part of that journey - this is where I never expected to be Sad

Made me so very sad at times but at the same time I think it's a good thing x

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wetaugust · 15/10/2013 23:48

Been there with similar emotions myself Doris.

But I've been pleasantly surprised at the outcome and you may be too.

If you don't think the new special school can meet his academic needs then it's not the right school for him and you need to hold out for something that will suit his academic needs

ouryve · 16/10/2013 10:53

Our LA want to "explore" a joint placement with SS for DS1, also in year 5 and struggling, despite best efforts of MS school. We also have concerns about meeting his academic needs. I can't see what he'd actually get out of it, as EP has stated that he needs consistency and high level small group teaching. A joint placement isn't going to offer the first and a school where his year's classroom has Aliens love Underpants displays on the wall is going to be no more able to provide the latter than his current school.

So, I agree with wetaugust - hold out for something better. Parent partnership may have some idea of what's in your area and it's worth putting out feelers and consulting Google to see if there are any specialist ASD schools in your area or schools with units which can better meet your DS's social, physical and academic needs.

Dayshiftdoris · 16/10/2013 22:11

Unfortunately holding out will change nothing.

He is in a resource provision with ASD specialism but being a resource provision he has to be integrated to MS 85% of the time.

The nearest ASD unit provision that he could be educated in full time is 45mins drive away (in same county). There are no special schools that offer NC for average level children at all Hmm

There is an independent school but it's an hour away and it's virtually impossible to get a place.

A neighbouring county has an autism school BUT it's full in his year group AND their out of county places are full.

He too needs consistency and minimal transitions but I have no where to go and he can't move wholly to the SS as he has moved 3 times already Hmm

It's dire here unfortunately Hmm

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wetaugust · 16/10/2013 23:04

Sorry Doris but none of those are reasonable excuses for putting an academically able boy into SS where the setting may meet his behaviouraila needs but will impoverish him academically.

The test is that the LA must provide a school suitable for his age and ability.

Forcing him into a non-academic SS is failing that test.

45 mins travel is nothing - we regularly have 1 hour to 90 mins travel in my county.

An hour is also do-able for a good indie. Don't assume it's full. Pupils come and go and there admission policy can be more elastiv than LA maintained schools.

I would refuse the SS and tell them that academically it's not suitable.

Can you begin to imagine just how bored and frustrated he'd be in SS?

How do you think that will affect his behaviour? Adversely I'd guess Sad

Dayshiftdoris · 16/10/2013 23:19

This is not about what the LA will or will not do.

It's about my son, who at the age of 9 has been failed by 2 previous schools and moved to the best option we had at the time a year ago (we had no statement at time of move).

We (school & I) have spent a lot of time reassuring him that this is HIS school and they will not let him down.

He can't just move - it would be abuse quite frankly. It would be his fourth school and it would be for 18months as he would then need to transition to secondary... There are no through schools.

School aren't failing him (yet) but the signs are there that he needs more than they can provide. The only option given the above is the on-site SS....

But thanks for making me feel utterly shit about not fighting the LA for provision that doesn't exist in the county I have no choice but to live in.

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wetaugust · 16/10/2013 23:50

A bit harsh don't you think Doris.

Do you honestly think the kother of a child who has severe SNs sets out to make you feel 'shit'?

We get told constantly by schools / LAs etc that there is no other provision / that alternative provision is full etc etc etc.

All of which generally turn out to be bullshit. And unless I had personally contacted each of the alternative providers to confirm they were indeed full I would take what I am told by school and the LA re alternative provision as bullshit.

And I say that, having been told by my own LA that there was no alternative option - only to ring the alternative schools to find there was.

I would say to you - you need to adress his current Statement as get one that adequately decribes his needs and the support he requires, as you say his current statement doesn'y - but I expect you would accuse me of making you feel shitty about that too.

I have felt very down and frustrated in my challenges re educational provision but I have never asked for help on a forum and then taken it out on someone who tries to assist.

Hiding this thread as you've made me angry - well done.

Dayshiftdoris · 17/10/2013 00:58

You challenged, in a very disrespectful tone our decision to place him in SS to meet his behavioural needs.... You asked me if I could 'begin to imagine just how bored and frustrated he'd be in SS'
Like I can't think for myself, like I don't understand my own son Sad

For the record....

We are not placing him in a SS - we are talking to them about integration / dual registration.

We want to access them for social skills and emotional literacy work not behavioural work. In fact we want to steer away from the behaviour label.

I have spoken to over 20 schools at primary and secondary school level. I have seen about 12 schools and personally I have found that the schools are more likely to tell you they are full when they are not than the LA are. In fact I made a formal complaint about a school lying to me about their spaces...
This LA is known for forcing schools to take SEN children when they are 'full'

The statement needs changing but he has a statement that is only really seen in this county (IPSEA are aware and taking it on) - making the changes we want to make will mean he has to leave his current school, again due to local authority rules. Parent partnership and IPSEA are helping me come up with the legal answer whilst school and I are trying to find a practical way round it whilst gathering evidence for the changes.

I just wanted people to tell me it was ok to feel sick about even talking to a SS - I didn't want or expected to be recruited to a fight that is not relevant to my child and I could not be arsed to go into the ins and out because it scares me silly. I just wanted someone to say 'I understand' not 'you are misguided'

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bochead · 17/10/2013 02:09

He's done several schools already. He needs more help from a mainstream that has a specialist resource unit on site?

Why can't he spend time in that unit rather than 85% of his time in mainstream? Would he cope better if he spent 50% in the onsite unit where he knows everyone rather than being shipped off to a place that can't meet his academic needs anyway.

This sounds like a convenient solution for the LA, but not one that'll bring huge social or emotional skills benefits to the child tbh. Can't a member of the special school staff come and train his mainstream staff or yourselves in the emotional skills training he needs?

Do you qualify for the Caudwell charities ABA funding. This would allow you to access £2k worth of specialist ABA help (the equivalent of an hour a week specialist help and advice for a year). That might be enough to enable yourselves and school to deliver the support he needs. or could you fund something similar yourselves?

Social skills and emotional skills are behavioral - I'm puzzled by your resistance to this "label". Are you trying to avoid your child being ultimately shunted into an unsuitable (for your child) EBSD school or summat? Emotional literacy is something most kids on the spectrum struggle with.

Is there a "through school" that will be able to offer what he needs in another county? Can you move house to access it?

You don't sound 100% comfortable with what is being proposed for perfectly logical reasons. Your gut instinct as a Mum seems to be saying that your kid is being set up to be short changed YET AGAIN.

Mumsnet SN board is famous for helping you to think outside the narrow confines of "LA think" and to come up with inventive, creative solutions for even the most seemingly tricky cases. Often there is no right answer, just a best endeavors attempt that is a helluva lot better than the standard solution likely to be offered by the average LA. There are a lot of us whose kids do not fit the standard LA SS or mainstream provision here. It's a hard place to be, but the benefit of so much real life experience is VERY useful.

I'm a bit suprised at your response to Wet's well meaning comments. Often we hear things on here, that at first glance can be hard to hear, but that in hindsight turn out to be incredibly useful. This is the one place where you won't be treated like "just a Mum" who doesn't know their own child. That can be incredibly empowering if you take it in the spirit it's intended.

Dayshiftdoris · 17/10/2013 08:19

We have had the behavioural team out. He couldn't go to an BESD school as they don't admit those any child with primary need of autism.

The resource provision in his school is under review and I am working with IPSEA to look at the legalities. The staff in the unit have no training for about 3 years thanks to a turbulent leadership.

I can't move out of county. I am single parent with no job or support plus as I said the statement is in IPSEA words 'a liability'

He's had the statement a year - I've already forced one review now about to have his annual review where I will get more changes but day to day, here and now we need to support the child.

But thank you again for making an assumption that I am willing to short change my son because the LA say I have too...

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Dayshiftdoris · 17/10/2013 08:20

And you know what I did just want to heard as just a mum for a change instead if being expected to be a mini lawyer.

I am obviously in the wrong placeHmm

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wetaugust · 17/10/2013 11:26

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bochead · 17/10/2013 21:30

The opportunity to be "just a Mum" is one I'd love to experience too Wink.

Back in the real world thems not the breaks I've been given, neither have you. Perhaps we'll get to chill as Grannies. There are several of us who are single parents on this board.

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