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armani · 27/09/2013 17:01

we have recieved dds proposed statement today but it is not quantified. it says things like 'dd should have access to small group work and where needed 1:1'.
it also says 'dd should have access to a positive communication environment where parents and teachers work closely together with the supervision of a salt'.
does this sound like a ms statement or ss? im confused as have spoken to lea who say they cant dictate how best to provide/ deliver provision to school and its upto the school to provide this.
I was hoping for full time 1:1 in ms but this statement is not quantified at all Sad

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StarlightMcKenzie · 27/09/2013 17:31

It's a mainstream statement without quantified support.

It isn't a statement you can accept. It is normal (immoral but normal) that the LA send you a statement like that as the first attempt.

It is hard not to feel hurt and let down but there is probably even a unofficial policy on it.

It's clever wording that makes 'nothing' look like 'something'.

You need to write back saying that it isn't quantified or specified and as such cannot accept it as a reasonable or even legal statement. Ask them for a more sensible version but don't agree to meet with them about it as this causes delay (unless you truly believe there to be merit in a meeting).

KOKOagainandagain · 27/09/2013 17:34

It looks like a crap m/s statement in my opinion Sad

Obviously cut 'should have access to' and replace with 'needs'.

Communication is OK with strengthening as a title/long term objective as long as part 3 then details how this is to be achieved and how progress will be measured.

On SA+ DS2 is visited in school at least once a term by both salt specialist teacher and therapist both of whom assess and monitor progress. The TA has been trained by salt and delivers provision - specified and quantified, x number of times a week for x time. Salt is not his primary need.

Statement currently allows for less provision than this.

StarlightMcKenzie · 27/09/2013 17:38

''should have access to' and replace with 'needs''

I prefer 'needs' for part 2 and then 'will receive' for part 3.

KOKOagainandagain · 27/09/2013 18:00

I agree Star - needs in part 2 or title but 'will receive' in the detail of part 3.

lougle · 27/09/2013 19:14

"'dd should have access to a positive communication environment where parents and teachers work closely together with the supervision of a salt'."

That sounds like SL Unit/resource base or special to me, not MS.

armani · 27/09/2013 19:26

thanks for the advice. so do I re write then send back to lea? can I ask them to quantify the 1:1?

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armani · 27/09/2013 19:28

lougle its so confusing, I wish they would tell me that they feel dd requires ss if thats what they are trying to imply. should I ask them?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 27/09/2013 20:14

I'm fairly sure it is a MS as there is nothing there that cannot be delivered in MS. Also, most SS statements will state (even if they don't commit) that the child will 'benefit' from small class sizes.

Close communication between parents and school is a home-school link book and SALT supervision is a phone-call once a term and some photocopies.

Armani Do you want mainstream of special school? Do you have a school in mind?

armani · 27/09/2013 20:23

I want ms with 25 hours of 1:1 support.
I thought this could be a ss statement as there is no specified support neither is anything quantified. The lea have said when questioned about this that they cannot dictate to the school hows best to provide the provision required and it is provided at the schools discretion.
my problem with this is that the school wont provide any 1:1, thats why I applied for the statement in the first place!

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beautifulgirls · 27/09/2013 20:42

They can not allow the school to best decide how to provide, that is what statutory assessment is about. Flexibility should only be put into the provision for the benefit of the child and there are only rare situation where that would apply. It should not be about flexibility for the school.
Quote them the SEN code of practice........
8:37 LEAs must make decisions about which actions and provision are appropriate for which pupils on an individual basis. This can only be done by a careful assessment of the pupils’ difficulties and consideration of the educational setting in which they may be educated. Provision should normally be quantified (e.g. in terms of hours of provision, staffing arrangements) although there will be cases where some flexibility should be retained in order to meet the changing special educational needs of the child concerned. It will always be necessary for LEAs to monitor, with the school or other setting, the child’s progress towards identified outcomes, however provision is described. LEAs must not, in any circumstances, have blanket policies not to quantify provision.

armani · 27/09/2013 20:49

thanks beautiful girls. I will include the quote in my response. I can feel a tribunal situation is going to be needed Sad .
if the lea cant dictate provision to the school then what was the point of the statutory assessment? grrrr Angry
Basically the proposed statement is detailing what a child at school action plus is able to have access to, its not any different in terms of specific quantified support to what dd has already recieved in the last 2 years that she has regressed Sad

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