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Laceyshoes · 05/09/2013 14:43

So sorry, this must be the longest post ever. I just thought I should give some background before going into my rant.

My lovely just turned 3 year old son has obvious autism. His eye contact is sporadic, he answers to his name less than half of the time and he rarely looks at people when he speaks to them. Although he has enough vocabulary to label most things correctly, he cannot hold a conversation beyond answering the simplest of questions like "do you want some milk?". He will make statements about things, ie "daddy has gone to work" but you can't actually have any back and forth conversation with him, sorry if I'm being vague but I find it very hard to explain what it's like.

He uses the pronoun "you" about himself all the time, ie "you did a wee" when he means that he has done a wee. He doesn't understand concepts like "when" - for example (we're potty training him at the moment) he'll get off the potty, having done a wee and I'll say to him that when he needs a poo, he must get on the potty. And he'll get back on the potty because he doesn't understand "when" or "if - he thinks I'm instructing him to go now.

He repeats things over and over again rather than saying them just once or he'll repeat what you say to him rather than actually answering. Or he'll parrot phrases he's remembered from the tv. If we are out with other people, he will say "hello! How are you? Hello! How are you? Hello! How are you?" over and over again, directed at the room in general but he won't answer people if they speak to him directly. Or he will just babble incoherently.

He also flaps his hands when he's excited. He often walks on his tiptoes. And he doesn't realise when his dad and I are telling him off. He doesn't respond or he laughs, even if we are shouting at him (I know it's awful that we ever do shout at him). We will tell him over and over to stop doing something but he won't stop, even if he's being screamed at. He just thinks it's a game. Basically, he can't tell if someone's angry with him. And he can't tell if someone's sad. If he sees someone crying, he doesn't realise they're upset. To give an example, I've been crying my eyes out this morning through frustration and worry and he looked at me and said "mummy is happy." I said "no, mummy is very sad" but it meant nothing, he just kept smiling and carried on playing.

He doesn't show much interest in other children, even his cousins who are of a very similar age. He never asks "why" questions like other children his age do.

I know all of this sounds very minor compared with children who have sensory issues, meltdowns, strong need for routine etc but his development is not typical. He does not relate to people the way that most children his age do, regardless of level of vocabulary. It is so hard to explain what I mean! To put my finger on exactly what it is that is so "off" about his interaction.

Anyway, he was referred to a speech therapist at his two year review as some of his pronunciation was behind where it should be. He saw her a few weeks ago and she said there were no concerns about his speech at all (his pronunciation improved greatly while we were on the waiting list for his appointment) but that some of his interaction was atypical and that she recommended that he was seen by a paediatrician so he could be assessed further. And after he started preschool a few weeks before the end of summer term, his key worker mentioned to me that there were some issues with his interaction and eye contact although as it was at pick up time, she didn't have time to go into further detail - anyway she's asked to meet with me when he goes back next week, so hopefully she'll be able to explain more then.

Anyway, he's seen a paediatrician a couple of weeks ago and she said that we are at the information gathering stage. That as he doesn't have any instant red flag symptoms like total absence of eye contact or sensory issues or long lasting tantrums, she can't either diagnose or rule out an autism spectrum disorder at this stage.

I feel very reassured by the fact that DS's key worker and the speech therapist could apparently both see what is so blindingly obvious to me because NOBODY else - not DH or any of my or his families - can see that there is anything amiss with DS's development. It is so frustrating to be told that he is fine, he's just like all the other kids and that I'm imagining things. DH even came to the paediatrician appointment where she recommended further assessment but he is still insisting that DS's interaction is completely typical - it bloody isnt!!! DS is completely unable to interact with other children and he is not "fine with adults" as DH says, he still doesn't make eye contact 80% of the time, he displays very little joint attention and he cannot respond to conversation.

Yesterday, DH's nieces age 6 and 4 came over with their brother who's nearly 3. DS has known them his entire life and sees them frequently yet he could still barely look at them and couldn't speak to them at all. He played on his own even though his bigger girl cousins were trying to get him to interact with him. He's actually very fond of the 4 year old and when she sat down next to him on the sofa, he gave her a cuddle (although not looking at her or speaking to her). Anyway, the 6 year old started saying things like "why does he never give ME hugs?" She has a tendency to say slightly mean things about DS, drawing attention to his differences in a "why's he being so weird?" kind of way. So I said to her that DS finds some things, like talking and playing with other children, very difficult and that it's important to be patient and kind to him because of this (and that I know that she always is).

After they'd gone, DH had a go at me for saying this as he thought it was wrong to tell his niece that DS was different in any way as it sounded like I was saying he was inferior and that his niece would pick up on it in the wrong way and think less of DS. I tried to say that I thought I was doing the right thing by telling her that people need to make allowances for DS finding socialising hard, so she'd hopefully be a little more understanding towards him and perhaps not make so many "why's he doing that?" type comments.

Mentioned it to my mum today and she said that she agrees with DH, that I was wrong to say anything referring to DS's difficulties (that she thinks I'm imagining anyway) to this child and that I should have just told her to "be nice". And that any issues DS may have will be so minor that they won't hold him back in any meaningful way.

Anyway, I just feel so sad for DS and scared for him, more for what the future may hold than for how things are now especially. And frustrated and angry that nobody else who is close to DS can see what is so fucking obvious - that he's a little boy who has major difficulties with communication and interaction and that this IS a big deal. And I feel totally out of my depth, I don't know what to do to help DS. I honestly feel completely lost and scared and also alone and undermined because of DH's and everyone else's denial.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How do you cope with everyone telling you it's nothing when you KNOW it's not?!

Apologies again for the post length

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bialystockandbloom · 11/09/2013 17:26

Poor you Lacey. I have to say he sounds really similar to my ds, who was diagnosed at 3.6. The lack of engagement, pronoun reversal, echolalia etc. all very similar. Like you, it took two years for my DP to recognise what I was seeing - at least, for him to face the problem.

Do look at ABA. To start with, have a look at Robert Schramm 'Motivation and Reinforcement', and Mary Lynch Barbera book on Verbal Behaviour. After 3 years of doing Verbal Behaviour with my ds, he is unrecognisable from the boy he was. Hanen More Than Words also good place to start.

The 'is he/isn't he' days you are in now (we've all been there, I spent a year crying myself to sleep and worrying about the future) are the worst.

Sorry this is so brief. Keep coming to this board, it's the best place to learn about ASD. And push for assessment with multi-disciplinary team (developmental paed/SALT etc).

goonIcantakeit · 11/09/2013 17:44

"Bugger. I have to admit that I've been hoping that an app like this or some flash cards would magically help make it all clear for him but I totally see how that could just work on a very superficial level and that he may understand that a smiling cartoon face is "happy" but still not recognise emotion on a real live human being."

just by grasping that you're already getting on to a better path :).

which is not to say that visuals won't help - visuals are great! But I would start and finish with him - getting an PhD-level understanding of DS and how his mind works.

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Laceyshoes · 12/09/2013 21:05

Thanks bialystock, I will definitely check out those books. Very glad to hear that they've helped your DS so much.

it became clear that it was no good working on recognising what expressions etc meant, he needed to first understand that non-verbal communication was even possible.

Yeah that's understandable. I'm not sure how to go about introducing that concept as DS's receptive language is still so limited. Hopefully these books will help!

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happyanyounoitflapyourhands · 13/09/2013 13:49

I know how your feeling mines a slightly different situation though . D's is awaiting ASD assessment after seeing salt, pead, clinical psychologist . but apparently school see nothing what so ever ? I think its great he's getting on well in school but been told this can be the case for maybe even a year but I don't trust they aren't seeing it if you get me ?

Its hard , just stay strong and try and be positive its easy to be consumed. Y it all xx

goonIcantakeit · 13/09/2013 14:49

"DS's receptive language is still so limited. "

do you want a link to some threads and resources on receptive language? It took me ages to gather the information on it (why is there so little?) so I kept the threads on watch.

Laceyshoes · 13/09/2013 15:29

Oh that would be brilliant goon, thank you so much :)

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goonIcantakeit · 13/09/2013 15:48

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/973999-DS-39-2-year-check-with-HV-big-elephant-in

if that link works, read the thread. you will see it cross-refs to two other threads which are written summaries of podcasts by SALT Laura Mize (sorry if her name is misspelt). Those podcats are careful summaries of the order and methods we should use to teach receptive language.

Laura's DVDs "Teach me to Listen and Obey" I and II are the only structured self-help guide to teaching your child to understand language that I ever found in four years of intensive study. Her website is www.teachmetotalk.com.

I still find it staggering that there are so few resources on receptive language out there when such a high proportion of "speech" problems are masking problems in understanding. grrrr....

goonIcantakeit · 13/09/2013 15:54

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/special_needs/750157-Radio-programmes-on-receptive-language-delay-www-teachmetotalk-com

see in particular around 5th May 2009, but something tells me you are going to have the patience to read and absorb the whole lot :)

Ooh, by the way, one thing that would help with your DH - can you get him to accept that DS has a "receptive language" problem? I found that easier to accept and research than ASD at that age. Anything to get him on board!

goonIcantakeit · 13/09/2013 15:57

the way Laura came over to join the thread still makes me grin.... :)

goonIcantakeit · 13/09/2013 16:01

7th May 2009 - nice section on pronouns for you xxx

SparkleSoiree · 13/09/2013 16:11

Lacey don't ignore your instincts. It's ok for others to have an opinion but you are mum and if you feel something is not right then you can pursue it without authority or permission from others in your life.

My DD was diagnosed with ASD/SPD November last year. Her traits stopped me enrolling her into reception year last year because I believed that she needed far more support, than a child without ASD, in place for the day she started school. I began to home educate her - in my totally novice way - and pursued a Statement of Educational Needs from the LEA. This was dismissed. I then appealed it and got notification in July that we won our appeal. (I cried for days through sheer relief knowing that somebody believed me somewhere.) DD is now going through the assessment process. When she was going through the diagnosis process some friends and family members were very dismissive of my concerns, even criticsing me for trying to find things wrong with my child because I obviously craved the drama. I have never felt so alone and isolated in my whole life because of this and our whole circle of friends has changed with certain family members falling completely by the wayside. However I really feel that we are now on a road to DD having access to an appropriate education for her, being able to explore the outside world with support away from her parents and have had my own self-belief reinstated. I have had excellent support from IPSEA, from people on Mumsnet and the NAS local groups which has really helped DH and I.

DD was 3 when I noticed that certain behaviours had become regular and 5 when she was diagnosed. It takes time to build a picture up of your child and the traits may change and develop over time. Keeping a diary of patterns of behaviour, traits, triggers for meltdowns, any sensory issues, anything that involves your child will be a huge help to yourself and professionals. Most important though, never doubt your own instincts - they are there to help you. Smile

goonIcantakeit · 13/09/2013 18:31

or, if you do doubt your own instinct, as I do, remember:

Statement A: my child may have a problem
Statement B: I may be depressed/like drama/have various personality flaws/be overly obsessed with my own childhood experiences.

Even if Statement B is true, that does not make Statement A any less true!

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