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School fair?

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fairorfoul · 06/08/2013 19:23

Ds 11 (ASD- with a full time 1:1) was continuously provoked by a boy who had been told to leave him alone . The boy later approached him again to have another pop at him and ds again told him to leave him alone. The boy said 'go on and make me then' so ds pushed him away. A fight started and ds was excluded but the other child wasn't. I am told that the punishments are proportionate to each child's involvement in the matter. His 1:1 wasn't even paying attention and didn't see what started it.
Any views would be appreciated.

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PolterGoose · 06/08/2013 20:55

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hoxtonbabe · 06/08/2013 20:56

Hmmm...that seems rather discrimitory to me. If the school are aware of his needs ( which they must do if he has 1:1) and your DS being ASD and all if your DS took it literally ( and these traits are known to school) then they should not be punishing him to that extent as they should take into account the child's needs when dishing out such punishments.

If you look up the education section on the EHRC website it goes into more detail.

It all really depends what is in the statement/what the school know about your DS.

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fairorfoul · 06/08/2013 20:57

No -sorry,badly worded. Do you think school is being fair over this?

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hoxtonbabe · 06/08/2013 20:58

Polter: I took it as meaning is the school being fair, and incident happened at school but that's a good point...it is the school fair? Lol

Smartiepants79 · 06/08/2013 21:00

Not quite sure why one child would be excluded but not the other, regardless of any special needs.
Was the other boy badly hurt or was your DS deemed to have 'started it'?
On the face of it, it seems odd and unfair.

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fairorfoul · 06/08/2013 21:00

No, at school break time.

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cornypepper · 06/08/2013 21:04

Does 1:1usually watch him at playtime - is it on his statement?

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fairorfoul · 06/08/2013 21:06

He needs support particularly at unstructured times and was given a full time statement in order to cover lunch and breaks.

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cornypepper · 06/08/2013 21:07

Well then I don't see how school can justify this at all. Have you phoned IPSEA?

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fairorfoul · 06/08/2013 21:09

Neither boy hurt but as it's against policy to fight ds was excluded.He was supposed to have full time support to stop incidents like this. Just seems unfair that he reacted because he was continuously provoked but that doesn't seem to count for anything.

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fairorfoul · 06/08/2013 21:10

I will try to get thorough to IPSEA if I can. School do not seem like they will listen to any views about this though.

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PolterGoose · 06/08/2013 21:46

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cornypepper · 06/08/2013 21:50

Yes hopefully IPSEA can advise you of what you need to do next. There is advice on their website also.
If ds has a statement with f/t support which includes playtime, then 1:1 should have been there to support ds at that time and a fight may have been prevented. A fight can occur with 1:1 support, but you need to establish whether the 1:1 intervening (as they should have) may have calmed the situation.

hoxtonbabe · 07/08/2013 08:47

Smartie: if a child meets the disability criteria ( I assume he does but I can't be sure as I don't know the posters ds details) then they have to take into account the child's disability regardless of their policy.

For instance a child with Tourette's swears at the teacher, the head excludes. To exclude the child would be unjust as the child can't help this and is arising from their disability. The posters situation sounds the same, in fact he even has 1:1 to help him get out of the situations he finds difficult, if TA was not controlling the situation then the TA should be spoken to not the child to be excluded.

A more fitting approach would be for head to talk to boys, get the parents involved to discuss...excluding a child that has 1:1 to avoid such incidents is a pointless and effective punishment.

I'm still trying to figure out why one was expelled and not the other, I understand your DS made the first punch so to speak, but we are dealing with an ASD child, the other boy should have been given some kind of punishment for winding your son up in the first place or he going to think its ok to do this to your DS

hoxtonbabe · 07/08/2013 09:50

I meant ineffective punishment, lol..

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fairorfoul · 07/08/2013 19:24

No luck with Ipsea yet.
I can't put too much here and don't want to drip-feed but the TA was not watching the situation and did not intervene. She ran out instead and left the children to it (I am told that she is trained and experienced) . Ds is considered vulnerable to being picked on by others.

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popgoestheweezel · 07/08/2013 19:54

Sounds absolutely shocking and totally discriminatory.
for you and your ds.

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