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Ofsted disciplines its staff over bungled inspection

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inappropriatelyemployed · 19/06/2013 13:09

How much weight to attach to 'outstanding' ratings!

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nennypops · 19/06/2013 13:26

The thing is, that is solely because one set of parents brought all the problems to light via the tribunal. But for that, that school would still be trading very profitably on its outstanding grade. So how many other problems has Ofsted missed? How can we sensibly rely on their findings? After all, something extremely similar happened with Haringey and we were assured all the problems had been addressed then.

inappropriatelyemployed · 19/06/2013 13:39

I know - having been to a so-called 'outstanding school' and seen that they nothing about SEN, it really scares me.

DS's old school hasn't had a hands on inspection since 2007 and si still allowed to call itself outstanding. On what basis? The framework has changed substantially since then

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bochead · 19/06/2013 15:20

It's nice to see a case where those that have failed children are called to account. It's just such a shame that this is the rare exception (staff disciplined) rather than the everyday rule/reality.

ouryve · 19/06/2013 16:04

Astounding seems more appropriate :/

coff33pot · 19/06/2013 16:20

Our local senior school has just been scored inadequate and its under special measures with a trouble shooter head brought in.

Long time waiting for. Reading the report in more depth it is focused on those with special needs and the expectations of their pupils are not set high enough in order for them to achieve more. Hope they all get a good ear ache and things get set right.

Ineedmorepatience · 19/06/2013 17:13

The ofsted report of the school Dd3 went to said that the school worked really hard for the children with special needs and that the children made good progress!!

Dd3 was one of 6 children withnsn's removed frommthe school bynparents in the last 2 years.

The last little girl who left, when her mum went to tell the HT that she was moving to a special schoolnthe HT said "well I think that is for the best". Up to that moment she had never mentioned not being able to meet the childs needs or any issues at school at all. The poor mum had done all the groundwork herself, HT didnt even say we will miss her Sad

I knew she would be like that about Dd3 so I didnt even bother to go and tell her we were moving I just posted a letter during the hols to say we werent going back.

At least 3 parents have written to ofsted about the school but apparently they work really hard with children with Sn's

Bull...t Sorry for the rant Angry

uggerthebugger · 19/06/2013 20:10

Ofsted need a serious boot up the backside when it comes to inspecting SEN provision. Too many of their 'specialist inspectors' have no specific professional expertise - I know of one signing deaf unit that was inspected by a 'specialist' who couldn't sign - the inspector had no way at all of working out how good the teaching was. Didn't stop her grading the lesson though.

There are HMI's out there who know their stuff on SN, but most of the sub-contracted additional inspectors just aren't up to it. The expectations they have for outcomes for SN pupils are shockingly low.

It sounds pretty abstract, but it's fucked my kids' education badly. We lost a tribunal for DS1's indi placement largely on the strength of the Ofsted report for the LA's preferred option. The inspectors who wrote the report for the LA's school had no expertise in the relevant SEN; they simply couldn't identify poor provision when they saw it, and poor provision is what it was. On their first visit, the non-LA professionals who support DS1 were gobsmacked at just how shit it was given its Outstanding report.

The other thing is the way that schools react to what they think Ofsted want - and their reaction rarely does kids with SN any favours. Most of the 'outstanding' schools I looked at saw us as a problem - a drain on resources, an awkward kink in the data, a distraction from the main mission of the school. At worst, their attitude forces teachers to deliver support in a way that harms the kid's progress.

We really need people like Ofsted to hold SENCOs and HTs to account. The trouble is, doing it properly takes resources and expertise that are just spread too thinly. Sound familiar?

lostopportunities · 20/06/2013 06:16

I do think though that schools can be very adept at 'hiding' things that they don't want Ofsted to see as they easily do it to parents too Sad.
It is very sad that ratings can be more important to a school than child welfare and education.
I am trying to make Ofsted aware of a serious situation regarding a disabled child being 'removed' from a school hours before an inspection but it's a real battle to get anywhere. Whilst schools can act like this with no penalties or sanctions they will simply carry on in a cavalier fashion and keep obtaining their good or outstanding ratings. Often parents have nowhere to go to where they will be listened to and believed. 'Reputation is all important and will be maintained above all else' seems to be a mantra for some establishments.

Ineedmorepatience · 20/06/2013 08:23

lost good luck with getting ofsted to listen to you. That is disgraceful about the child being removed though I have heard many times about difficult children going out for the day when Ofsted com.

I work in early years and we get no warnings from ofsted. Schools should be the same.

When I wrote to Ofsted and the Sec of state for edu I was told that because I hadnt followed procedure my complaint would not be looked at!!

I was lucky enough to be able to move my child, many people are not so lucky Sad Angry

bigbluebus · 20/06/2013 08:38

My DDs SN school has recently been inspected. We were invited to fill in a 'parental comments' form on-line. The questions were the same standard questions that you would have for any school - with no space for additional comment. Questions such as "Does your DC get sufficient homework". Many of the children at the school have PMLD so wouldn't know what homework was, let alone be able to do it !

I think the inspection system is flawed. I don't think a 2 day inspection is going to unearth anything if the management are good at hiding things - especially as they get notice that OFSTED are coming to inspect. Many years ago, I worked for a High street bank. When you were inspected, the inspector just turned up, unannounced. No opportunity to fudge paperwork - what the inspector saw was how the place ran on a day to day basis. Until this happens with schools, you will have teachers quickly filling out IEPs in readiness for the inspection which had previously been ignored. Some good works of fiction, I'm sure. Hmm

MumuDeLulu · 20/06/2013 20:04

Tbh, i'd do unannounced spot checks, and any organisation with perfect paperwork but unhappy clients would be shut down immediately.

To me, ofsted outstanding is a bad sign, often a good clue as to their likely priorities...

MumuDeLulu · 20/06/2013 20:04

Mystery shoppers?

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