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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

So spoke with dd's teacher yesterday and agree there is possibly something needing investigated.

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Geeklover · 05/06/2013 08:10

Dd is almost 10 and has always been a bit quirky. Those things have become more pronounced now she is getting older and also having a 7 year old brother that is now overtaking her in a lot of things.
I can give examples but the list just seems so long just now.
She has a lot of ADHD traits but it also looks a lot like dyspraxia.
It's funny ds has always had health problems and always been a concern. I am feeling guilty right now that ds's problems have been taking over and I've not seen anything with dd right under my nose.
Some of the things are genuinely things that when she was younger really could be down to being young but has become more pronounced as she's got older.
I'm just worried it's been made harder for her by me not noticing until so late.

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Geeklover · 05/06/2013 10:16

Thank you for not saying I'm awful for not noticing Smile
I know rationally you are both right and it absolutely is just that she is getting older that the differences between her and her peers and even her younger brother are so hugely pronounced.
I realise as well she has made adjustments to help her cope with the things she struggles with.
She chooses clothes she can put on without fasteners of any sort or that she doesn't need to unfasten the buttons/zips etc.

We are in Scotland so I know our systems with getting help in school are slightly different.
I just feel very impatient now to know for certain.
Her teacher said yesterday to not start reading or I will worry about her having everything but it was hard not to. She does just tick so many of the boxes for both things though. I want to know how the people that assess know because outwardly she is a normal chatty 9 year old and it's taken me this long to suspect a problem. How do they figure it out and assess her?

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Geeklover · 05/06/2013 12:20

Thanks that would be great.
Her teacher is going to speak to the learning support teacher in the school to see what would be the best way to refer.
School breaks up in 3 weeks for summer here so may be better to visit the gp or whether the school will refer which would be the usual way at this stage.

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EllenJanesthickerknickers · 05/06/2013 12:41

Hi. This is actually Mrz's list from the primary ed board.

Fine Motor Skills
Things to remember:
Upright working surfaces promote fine motor skills. Examples of these are: vertical
chalkboards; easels for painting; flannel boards; lite bright; magnet boards (or
fridge); windows and mirrors; white boards, etc. Children can also make sticker
pictures; do rubber ink-stamping; use reuseable stickers to make pictures; complete
puzzles with thick knobs; use magna-doodle and etch-a-sketch as well. The benefits
for these include: having the child's wrist positioned to develop good thumb
movements; they help develop good fine motor muscles; the child is using the arm
and shoulder muscles.
Fine Motor Activities
Moulding and rolling play dough into balls - using the palms of the
hands facing each other and with fingers curled slightly towards the palm.
Rolling play dough into tiny balls (peas) using only the finger tips.
Using pegs or toothpicks to make designs in play dough.
Cutting play dough with a plastic knife or with a pizza wheel by holding
the implement in a diagonal volar grasp.
Tearing newspaper into strips and then crumpling them into balls. Use
to stuff scarecrow or other art creation.
Scrunching up 1 sheet of newspaper in one hand. This is a super
strength builder.
Using a plant sprayer to spray plants, (indoors, outdoors) to spray snow
(mix food colouring with water so that the snow can be painted), or melt
"monsters". (Draw monster pictures with markers and the colours will run
when sprayed.)
Primary
Picking up objects using large tweezers such as those found in the
"Bedbugs" game. This can be adapted by picking up Cheerios, small cubes,
small marshmallows, pennies, etc., in counting games.
Shaking dice by cupping the hands together, forming an empty air space
between the palms.
Using small-sized screwdrivers like those found in an erector set.
Lacing and sewing activities such as stringing beads, Cheerios,
macaroni, etc.
Using eye droppers to "pick up" coloured water for colour mixing or
to make artistic designs on paper.
Rolling small balls out of tissue paper, then gluing the balls onto
construction paper to form pictures or designs.
Turning over cards, coins, checkers, or buttons, without bringing them to
the edge of the table.
Making pictures using stickers or self-sticking paper reinforcements.
Playing games with the "puppet fingers" -the thumb, index, and middle
fingers. At circle time have each child's puppet fingers tell about what
happened over the weekend, or use them in songs and finger plays.
Place a variety of forms (eg. blocks, felt, paper, string, yarn, cereal,
cotton) on outlines
Match shapes, colour, or pictures to a page and paste them within the
outlines
Primary
Self-Care Skills
Buttoning
Lacing
Tying
Fastening Snaps
Zipping
Carrying
Using a screwdriver
Locking and unlocking a door
Winding a clock
Opening and closing jars
Rolling out dough or other simple cooking activities
Washing plastic dishes
Primary
Sweeping the floor
Dressing
Scissor Activities
When scissors are held correctly, and when they fit a child's hand well, cutting
activities will exercise the very same muscles which are needed to manipulate a pencil
in a mature tripod grasp. The correct scissor position is with the thumb and middle
finger in the handles of the scissors, the index finger on the outside of the handle to
stabilize, with fingers four and five curled into the palm.
Cutting junk mail, particularly the kind of paper used in magazine
subscription cards.
Making fringe on the edge of a piece of construction paper.
Cutting play dough or clay with scissors.
Cutting straws or shredded paper.
Cutting
Use a thick black line to guide cutting the following:
A fringe from a piece of paper
Cut off corners of a piece of paper
Cut along curved lines
Cut lines with a variety of angles
Primary
Cut figures with curves and angles
Sensory Activities
The following activities ought to be done frequently to increase postural muscle
strength and endurance. These activities also strengthen the child's awareness of
his/her hands.
Wheelbarrow walking, crab walking
Clapping games (loud/quiet, on knees together, etc.)
Catching (clapping) bubbles between hands
Pulling off pieces of thera-putty with individual fingers and thumb
Drawing in a tactile medium such as wet sand, salt, rice, or "goop".
Make "goop" by adding water to cornstarch until you have a mixture similar
in consistency to toothpaste. The "drag" of this mixture provides feedback to
the muscle and joint receptors, thus facilitating visual motor control.
Picking out small objects like pegs, beads, coins, etc., from a tray of salt,
sand, rice, or putty. Try it with eyes closed too. This helps develop sensory
awareness in the hands.
Midline Crossing
Establishment of hand dominance is still developing at this point. The following
activities will facilitate midline crossing:
Encourage reaching across the body for materials with each hand. It
may be necessary to engage the other hand in an activity to prevent
switching hands at midline.
Primary
Refrain specifically from discouraging a child from using the left hand
for any activity. Allow for the natural development of hand dominance by
presenting activities at midline, and allowing the child to choose freely.
Start making the child aware of the left and right sides of his body
through spontaneous comments like, "kick the ball with your right leg." Play
imitation posture games like "Simon Says" with across the body movements.
When painting at easel, encourage the child to paint a continuous line
across the entire paper- also from diagonal to diagonal.

I also have a busy finger box basically one of those plastic fold out workboxes for craft with lots of compartments

  1. Pegs ?
You need pegs of different sizes, clothes pegs, small bulldog clips, stationery clips etc. Get the children to use one hand only at a time. I usually get them to peg about 10 pegs of different sizes onto the sides of a gift bag. They might put them on with their left hand and take them off with their right. They can also try squeezing the pegs between the first finger and thumb (on each hand) then the middle finger and thumb and so on.
  1. Elastic bands ?
Elastic gymnastics! ? Start by putting 2 elastic bands (the same size) around the thumb, first and middle fingers, ask the child to open and close the fingers. Then add another 2 elastic bands and so on. The more you have on, the harder it is to move your fingers. These exercises help to develop the muscles which make the web space when writing.
  1. Beads ?
Get beads of different sizes and thread. Ask the children to thread some beads onto their string. The smaller the hole obviously the harder it is to thread. Develops hand/eye coordination.
  1. Ball bearings and tweezers ?
Put the ball bearings in one little box and ask the child to try and pick one ball bearing up at a time with the tweezers and place in a second small box. If this is too tricky try using Hama beads and tweezers.
  1. Floam / Playdough ?
These products are great for squeezing and rolling which provides necessary sensory feedback and helps to develop hand strength. Ask the children to squeeze the dough and roll it with the palm of their hand.
  1. Doodle board ?
The Doodleboard is just a way of children practising handwriting patterns or letters without having to commit them to paper. Provide some patterns and shapes to copy.
  1. Gummed Shapes ?
Give the children a sheet of plain paper and ask them to make patterns or pictures with the gummed shapes. Just picking up on shape at a time, licking it and then sticking it down all help to develop hand/eye coordination and the pincer grip.
  1. Hama Beads ?
Hama beads are good for pincer grip and hand/eye coordination. The children have patterned sheets to copy and peg boards to put them on.
  1. Lacing cards ?
Also good for hand/eye coordination. Just give each child one card to lace.
  1. Bean bags ?
    Give a child 4-5 bean bags and place a container about 3 feet infront of them. Ask the child to try and get as many beanbags in the container as possible. (Hand/eye coordination)

  2. Chalk and blackboard ?
    If you can, try and wedge the blackboard between two tables and provide the child with a piece of chalk in each hand. Ask them to draw the same pattern with both hands at the same time on both sides of the board. This helps develop bilateral movement.
    Allow the children to draw patterns, shapes and letter shapes on the blackboard. The chalk gives sensory feedback and sound simultaneously.

  3. Stencils ?
    Children can use the stencils to make a picture. Helps develop pencil control and special awareness among other things.

  4. Feathers ?
    Ask the children to try and balance a feather on different parts of their body. This helps to develop balance and coordination.

  5. Handhugger pens ?
    Hand hugger pens are the triangular shaped pens. These help the children to establish a better pencil grip.

  6. Tissue paper strips ?
    Place the child?s palm (at the wrist) on the end of a strip of tissue paper. Ask them to only use their middle finger to get the paper to scrunch up under their hand.
    Repeat, but this time place the side of the child?s hand on one end of the tissue strip and ask them to only use their thumb to scrunch up the paper and bring it under their hand.
    These activities really help to develop the hand arch, web space and muscle tone of the hand.

  7. Stickers ?
    Children love stickers. Just peeling them off provides an opportunity to develop fine motor skills and hand/eye coordination.

  8. Peg boards ?
    These can be peg boards where the child has to place pegs in the holes, maybe copying patterns.
    They can be the boards with plastic pegs already on where they have to stretch elastic bands between them to make patterns.

Geeklover · 05/06/2013 15:37

Wow thank you.
That list is amazing and actually with the holidays coming up is something we can all do as games and things.

I've just been to sports day. I got annoyed at myself I started crying watching her. She doesn't bother she is smiling away enjoying herself but some of the games they do the difference between her and the younger ones is huge never mind her peers.
I also became very aware of the hand flapping Sad
I know tears are so self indulgent and not going to help but it all just seemed so blindingly obvious when I saw it today.

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EllenJanesthickerknickers · 05/06/2013 17:50

It still gets to me at unexpected moments and my DS2 has been DXed with ASD since he was 3, 10 years ago. Nothing wrong with tears, it's a grieving process. But I'm further along the road and have come to terms with it so much more. Still have off days, though, but if your DD is happy and is having a happy childhood, despite any differences, you are doing a grand job.

armani · 05/06/2013 18:14

Hope you are ok geek, I am in a very similar position to you and know how hard it is. Don't beat yourself up about the tears, it's only natural. I had to leave a phonics meeting once as I was sobbing, I couldn't cope with how far behind dd was :(

My dd has just been assessed by OT as I took her to the gp with concerns about her attention span. Deep down I new a few years ago something wasn't right but I buried my head in the sand as I couldn't cope with it :( now I have accepted it, it feels like a huge relief.
I initially thought dds main issues were all caused through her lack of attention. I now realise how wrong I was, dd is 7 and has delayed motor skills of a 3yo, and suspected cp.

Now I have come to terms with it, I am dealing with the practicalities and fighting for a better future for my dd and I know longer feel sad about what she can't do but celebrate every thing she can do :)

Don't feel bad op, you are only human x

SmiteYouWithThunderbolts · 05/06/2013 18:29

Don't worry, I'm in a similar position with my ds2. He's nearly 7 and we're just going through the assessment process now. I turned down offers of assessment when he was 3 because I thought his nursery teacher was making a fuss of nothing. I feel awful about that now, but as the wonderful people here have pointed out, there's nothing to feel bad about.

Geeklover · 05/06/2013 20:38

Thanks again to everyone.
She had that amazing self esteem of childhood that makes her not bothered she's last. In fact she got a special clap from all the parents for the dressing up race for getting on and finishing it. That's when I cried Sad in fact feel like crying again. She was absolutely not bothered just happy to finish.
I'm thinking too much now though and that list above is amazing but it's also highlighted again things that I'd really forgotten she couldn't do.

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EllenJanesthickerknickers · 05/06/2013 22:18

Aw, but that's lovely and supportive of the other parents. I cried when my DS2 got a special cheer at his primary school leavers assembly. Sometimes people being nice are what brings on the tears. Smile

Geeklover · 05/06/2013 22:22

See when you say that to me I can see it but at the time I felt utterly heart broken for her.
I know I'm being silly. God at no pint can her enthusiasm ever be faulted and she tries so hard to fit in and when at times when she doesn't she just shrugs and reminds me she has her 'BFF'
Maybe I need to take a leaf out of her book but today especially despite my suspicions it just felt like a thunder bolt.

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buildingmycorestrength · 06/06/2013 17:42

I had already got an appointment for my son at the paediatrician when I saw him in a small performance by his class, and yes, a tear came to the eye at how visibly different he is. It is hard.

We fear that the world will be cruel to them, but it might not be so bad. Thanks Fingers crossed, eh.

Geeklover · 07/06/2013 19:57

You have summed up what I was feeling too sort fir myself to say.
My mum has asked for a copy of that list as well so we can all do done of the activities as well.

I'm a bit less emotional now but noticing more every day that I somehow never really seen before. I think I always just put it down to her being a bit of a dolly daydream and clumsy.

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