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Help with 9yo DS1 being investigated for ASD/DAMP syndrome

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accessorizequeen · 12/03/2013 09:52

I hesitate to post this in Special needs, but thought that more people here might recognise some of DS's characteristics tbh.
We've had some concerns for a few years, but the main issue has been soiling since he was 3 and that's taken over from the other stuff much of the time. He's been seeing a paed for the soiling since 4, on Movicol & Dulcolax. Because of this, and having 3 other children in quick succession (4 under 5), we just don't seem to have got to grips with DS1's behaviour. But as he got older, the behaviour has intensified and last October he spent a week with my Dad who is a senior paed. Dad said he was fairly sure DS1 had DAMP syndrome, which is a combination of perceptive, attention and motor control issues. Some things he mentioned, like ds not being able to use a knife and fork properly, I hadn't noticed at all and I was pretty shocked.

On his suggestion, we asked for two referrals for a Clinical Paed Pysch and OT. We received instead a referral to a Paed at a children's centre who said there isn't a psych or OT in the area who could deal with DS's problems, disagreed with the DAMP diagnosis and wants to continue with a full ASD assessment, starting with an Ed Psych. DS1 as you'd expect with a child who has soiled for many years, is also struggling with bullying in his class.

These are the issues in addition to the soiling:

  • Attention difficulties - difficulty following instructions, staying focused on a task (even putting shoes on), finishing schoolwork or homework will often result in a meltdown. He is sometimes literally dancing around the hall in hyper mode, I'll ask him to put his shoes on, he'll say yes, Mummy and then dance around again. He'll forget what I've asked within 30 seconds. This element has got many times worse in the last 18 months. Possibly because we can now see that it's not normal to be like this as my 4yo dts can follow instructions better than he can! He really struggles at organised sports events sometimes when he's got to follow several instructions but can't and then gets told off.
  • Perceptive issues - Dad indicated he has poor sense of awareness of his body - he struggles putting a coat on, using a knife and fork, kicking a ball.
  • Is highly sensitive. Will veer from blissful happiness to screaming hysteria within a few minutes and trash his room etc. I dropped him happy to his dance class last weekend, picked him up 2 hours later he was hysterical, sobbing and at the end of 20 minutes of this I couldn't tell what had happened if anything.
  • Social skills - seems very immature compared to his peers as time goes on, has the approach of his 6yo brother when interacting with other children. Doesn't seem to understand the nature of conversations. Talks in a monologue and in a monotone sometimes. He saw a SALT for a few years approaching school age, diagnosis of dysfluency. Doesn't seem to understand when and why children get upset if he's been controlling or hurtful. Is so controllling that he will have a meltdown if 4yo DD puts a step wrong in a 'dance routine' he has managed for her and the others.

We requested an Ed Pysch from the school. They said they need a letter from the Paed. The Paed refused to write it. The school will only refer anyway to a pre-assessment unit, who by all accounts will refuse to let DS see an Ed Psych as he doesn't have enough problems (this from his class teacher). Now the bullying is worse, and DS says he wants to die every playtime and lunchtime he's so picked on and lonely. And still soiling. He's my baby and I don't know how to help him. I have struggled with depression, anxiety and panic for several years, it got a lot better last year but I've gone downhill since my dad's diagnosis and feel quite helpless in face of the opposition and lack of support from the school and the health system. But I want to help my son be happy and the best he can be.

  • Are there some books on ASD or ADHD anyone could recommend with practical strategies to help DS and for DP & I to understand how he thinks?
  • How can we get an Ed Pysch, should we go private?
  • What is likely to happen as he gets to secondary school, what kind of support could we hope for/ask for?
  • If your child is like this, how do you cope with it? Because a lot of the time he seems NT and then there are obviously triggers and he'll go off the rails again. Bullying seems to be one trigger. Sleep another.
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Ruggles · 12/03/2013 10:15

Hello Accessories
Sounds like you have your hands full. This is a great place to post as there are lots of helpful folk on here who have different experience and who have successfully or unsuccessfully tried some different approaches.

My DS is 4 and started experiencing problems in pre-school in September - attention, concentration, sitting on people, hitting, bashing into things, fine motor skills inc. knife and fork, random peeing, only poohing at night in a nappy, social difficulties mainly due to being teased, poor imaginative play, poor eye contact, scared of new things and loud noises, didn't like crowds or music. Wouldn't join in sports or music classes. He also has a couple of food allergies and mild asthma.

We've been doing a couple of things which have really helped. We wanted to try all of this before doing EP route.

  • Tinsley House. Check out the support thread. Routine of daily exercises to develop the brain, following a specific diet and taking supplements. We've had some amazing results with this - toilet issues cleared up, happier child who sings, can use a knife and fork, seems more mature, playing imaginatively, eye contact much improved, fewer meltdowns, more compliant, happy to try new things and less afraid of groups. Just started playing in a football class - quite shy at it, but joining in. We've still got a long way to go, esp with concentration, spatial awareness and shouting. We are delighted. He has a couple of books - Is That My Child and The Brain Food Plan.
  • Biomed Approach. After waiting for about 10 weeks we saw Dr Goyal, Sincere Health a couple of weeks ago and again very impressed. He spent 90 mins with us and thinks DS has strep throat as throat / tonsils scarred, glands raised, has a chronic ear infection and some stomach issues. Waiting for blood test results. A couple of posters on here helped me with this direction, plus an American book from Ken Bock on the 4As - ADHD, Autism, Asthma and Allergies.

Six months ago I was in an awful place and looking back I have no idea how I coped with it all. Keep coming on here, it is really supportive and there is always a friendly listening ear around. Smile

porridgeLover · 12/03/2013 11:45

Hi accessorize; welcome to the SN board.
I have a 9yo DS who had a diagnosis of high functioning autism (HFA) after I pursued a private assessment a couple of years ago.
I knew DS had difficulties as I work in the field so possibly picked up on them quicker than usual. Certainly at the time, school had no concerns.
Since then, his diagnosis has been confirmed through official channels.

As part of his profile, he has problems with Sensory Processing, Dyspraxia (gross and fine motor problems...knife/fork, independently toileting, bikes, handwriting,sleep etc) as well as problems with recognising and using social rules.

I'd agree that, like you, at times he seems NT. But its always a case of waiting for it to go wrong for him.

It's overwhelming at first to know what to tackle. My advice would be to chase the Ed Psych assessment; through school or privately if they wont co-operate.
As he's close to transition to secondary, I would get things in place for him now.

Then look at getting a full Speech and OT assessment.
Good luck....keep asking questions here; many have been where you are now.

MareeyaDolores · 12/03/2013 19:13

Private ed psych is usually worth every penny.

accessorizequeen · 12/03/2013 20:32

Thanks all for posting. DP and I feel so isolated with it, we've found having 4 dc hard going enough until this cropped up.
Had a look a the Tinsley house books thank you Ruggles. Hadn't heard of that approach. We've taken him off dairy for two weeks as I think it might be linked to the soiling (despite the paed & nutritionist's cries that it can't possibly be, there seems a chance that it could be).
What does an Ed Psych actually do in the assessment? What are they trying to figure out? If we go private, will the school take on board their recommendations? Because it seems to me we've got no chance of getting one via the school.

I spoke to the class teacher last week after seeing ds's new paed (this is no.3!), who then went off to find out how to get an Ed Psych in motion. The SENCO he spoke to, who taught ds 2 years ago, said 'there's nothing wrong with him'. The class teacher pretty much said he thinks ds has some aspergers' traits but nothing more. I feel so angry with their attitude, do you have any tips about dealing with the school? We have a meeting tomorrow, was hoping the head would be there as we'd requested but I'm not sure. Confused

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MareeyaDolores · 12/03/2013 21:29

Smile, say little, and take lots of notes.

A LA ed psych can only really prioritise their cases using the info school put in a referral, so wouldn't suggest holding your breath.

accessorizequeen · 13/03/2013 20:07

I think I followed that advice pretty well! The school are referring him to a pre-assessment centre and there is an outreach programme too. They've offered to come up with strategies to assist him at school as he is so disorganised that its encroaching on their time I think. It was a positive meeting, lets see if it results in anything!

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