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StarlightMcKenzie · 27/02/2013 20:51

I miss her.

Hope she's happy and doing well.

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lougle · 27/02/2013 20:58

Me too...but she could be all incognito under a name-change.

dontknowwhat2callmyself · 27/02/2013 21:01

Yes, I was thinking only the same not so long ago. I think she had a baby a few months back so maybe she is taking a break for a while. I hope she comes back at some point she has been very helpful to me in the past.

zzzzz · 27/02/2013 21:09

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inappropriatelyemployed · 27/02/2013 21:21

Oh, yes. Me too. Hope all is well with her.

StarlightMcKenzie · 27/02/2013 21:28

I think she changed her name for a few weeks before disappearing. Does anyone remember what she changed it to?

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working9while5 · 28/02/2013 08:13

Hello all.

Thanks for the thread Star. I suspect as you have also posted in Mental Health you may have a vague idea of where I've been for the last, oh, nine or ten months.

I have indeed been "incognito" on MN but not on these boards.

It's been a challenging few months. You may remember that I applied for a job in May of last year as Principal SLT for ASD in my area. I didn't get it which was not a massive surprise to me, as I said how I wanted things to be rather than doing the usual "I would do it just as you did it because that is the best way to do it, you can trust me not to change anything" interview spiel. Partially this was because during my preparation, I spoke to a lot of people in the voluntary sector about the state of services in our area and as I suspected there was a lot of anger and upset about the limited lack of support received by parents. With the role being 2.5 days and with most of it (inevitably) about "management" aka going to meetings about meetings about meetings, I felt that the scope for change was very limited.. but the whole thing was, anyway, a bit depressing.

I was indeed having a baby (due around the same time as Star) and for a number of reasons, including a difficult previous birth with Kielland's forceps, I was very anxious about it. I'd also threatened miscarriage through the first two trimesters.

I was deeply suspicious of the people involved in discussing this with me as when I approached the consultant to discuss the best ways to prepare to avoid induction, I was given a litany of "risks" of ELCS, despite having never asked for one. I was then sent to someone else, who repeated these horrors: I would be internally bruised, perhaps infertile, the baby would have breathing difficulties etc etc. Again - I had not asked for an ELCS. Working in the system, my NHS bullshitometer was on high alert: why was I being given this information? Why did they expect I would ask for one? I had a lead consultant sit and explain carefully to me how my induction experience "was not a bad one" and when I explained carefully in return that, well, the experience of people screaming about me as I gave birth and saying "we've lost the heartbeat" was a bit frightening for us as we didn't know what was going on, she said "don't you think you're exaggerating a bit? you had a very normal vaginal delivery" (erm, Kielland's forceps in theatre with spinal block and whole team ready to give cs, if that's a "normal vaginal delivery", there is something wrong!).

And then, as you may remember Starlight, I was breech. Until 37 weeks. So having been loaded up with all these fears of the trauma it would include, and yet not trusting the NHS to provide for a safe normal delivery, my anxiety was SKY HIGH. The laughable thing about all this is that this led to me being "diagnosed" with.... wait for it.. wait for it... OCD.

I was horrified. Absolutely horrified. I couldn't believe that I hadn't seen that I had this serious mental health condition and then I started to read about it and suddenly I felt very, very shaky indeed. And lo and behold, I started to feel down. Really down...

But we kept preparing for our home birth and natural birth and actually, despite me being terrified to the point that I was having constant flashes and "what if's?" of being in pain and ignored and my baby dying, I did go on to have a pain-relief free water birth with no trauma to myself or my baby... but then the community midwife team had a total freak out because he lost a pound of weight and I suddenly found myself again with professionals in my house twice a day telling me that I was doing motherhood wrong until I totally shouted at one of them to get out and made a complaint... which led to them discharging me.

The mental health team were by now involved and of course, they (and to be honest, I at that stage) viewed my difficulties with having people in my house giving me conflicting information every day and often twice a day in the first week of having my son at home as a byproduct of my "anxiety disorder". So an agreement was made that he would have regular HV checks and none of this high-panic intervention as everyone agreed that clinically he was doing absolutely fine - bright shiny eyes, feeding well etc etc.

So I had a 6 week check. And a 12 week check.. and all was well. And then I started to worry he was looking thin, which I said to my CPN (who was visiting me three weekly) and she said it was just my anxiety etc etc....

Except, of course... it wasn't. At 20 weeks, my baby who had been 91st centile at birth had dropped to 0.4 of a centile and was described by the GP as "wasted".... and I couldn't BELIEVE it. Everyone I had told my concerns to had told me not to weigh him, it would "give in to the anxiety" and that it was just a "symptom"... and so I went against my gut, trusting in the "professionals" (though God knows why, I've always been sceptical about them at work, I suppose I just didn't want to believe that this sort of thing was possible!).

And then, in a really cruel twist of irony, I - having been the one who took him to be weighed off my own bat - was told by a member of my mental health care team that "it was good that I had finally realised [that he was so thin] as otherwise "external agencies" would have had to become involved and that would have been really uncomfortable". I said I thought he had a tongue tie (which I had said to HV and GP) and the CPN said in that calm, nicey nice voice that people have: "Working, no one but you is concerned about him having a tongue tie, consider what that means". I said I wanted to keep breastfeeding and she said "you need to follow medical advice now, this is not about your needs".....

Well, a lot of you know what this feels like. I was FLABBERGHASTED. Luckily I saw through it.. and had his tongue tie snipped that weekend. I also took him to A and E so a Paed could check him because I knew it would be at least 3 months until a Paed saw him otherwise and if there was an underlying condition that it needed to be progressed rapidly due to the delay. Just as well, as when the referral came through in January a "mix up" meant I was sent to pre-operative assessment with the GP referral saying that he had a "tongue condition reducing his ability to breathe" Hmm. Seriously, you couldn't make this stuff up!

Luckily, I had a supportive CBT therapist and we arranged a review where the psychiatrist etc literally shouted at me for complaining and when I challenged his nonverbal communication for being aggressive, he started shouting at me to consider mine! Cue another complaint. Sigh.

And in the final stage of "being down the rabbit hole", I was sent to Occupational Health who suggested that I might need to "consider an alternative role" because of my obvious "vulnerability to stress".

Oh dear.

So ladies, right now I really don't know where I am at. I am actually fine in terms of my mood and understanding of all of this - I can see why I distrusted the NHS (!!! ha, I somehow doubt anyone here will question why!) and I know that is not in itself a mental illness (!!!). I am, however, very reluctant to think about returning to work in this system. My own job, as you know, is pretty protected from all of this but it is under serious threat at the moment as the powers that be don't want individual costly therapy for teenagers, they want ever more "training" for school staff on how to do generic "therapy".

I can't work in a system like that, I'm afraid! I have been speaking with colleagues responsible for these care pathways and trying to convince them that this is about creating a market and essentially protectionistic and not what is needed from our profession, but that is not going so well. Again, as lots of you know, that sort of view is highly unpopular within the system and now that I have a "identified mental health condition", I have lost credibility.

I have been looking a lot at things like Mindfulness and ACT though as I have found these helpful in terms of helping me get through this whole nightmare, and I wonder if in the future I might sidestep into this sort of thing and provide a service based on this. ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) is behavioural in basis, based on Relational Frame Theory which I first heard about at Verbal Behaviour training back in 2005 and which I personally think provides a MUCH better account of complex verbal behaviours than anything currently out there. Unfortunately currently there isn't really any professional training on it but I am looking into what I might be able to do to train further in this radically different way of looking at language.

But yes, totally off the speech therapy grid!

Sorry so long.. but it has been nine or ten months and hey, I was never very good at the short posts! Smile

bochead · 28/02/2013 08:38

Bloody hell! You've had a time of it!

I ended up seeing a totally independent charity organisation for some group family therapy as I felt at one stage that the state professionals were actively undermining my ability to a/ Believe in my own parenting ability & b/enjoy any semblance of "normal" family life. This was in the run up to Tribunal when they were being so nasty in the hope I'd crack up and then they could use that as "justification" for DS's appalling treatment I think.

It was like a breath of fresh air! Just to get some RL emotional support that wasn't based on my being crazy, or intended to patronise. I'm a single parent and boy did the vultures feed off my RL social isolation. I'm about to start mentoring other Mums for the same organisation. Is there anything like this within travelling distance near you?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 28/02/2013 09:40

Oh Working I want to cry too.

Your comment about being easily believed here is right, but I'm so sorry it happened as it did. Thank you so much for comiing back though. You have been unbelievably helpful to me in the past for your integrety, challenge, knowledge and just being an all round rock of strength. And to be honest despite your horrendous post, you still sound like the Working from before with the same drive, even if you've been a bit knocked off course.

I'm gutted that you were put through what you were.

How's your baby now?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 28/02/2013 09:41

btw, I think I recognise the weight story. Hope you were able to get help from MN during that.

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lougle · 28/02/2013 10:03

Working, you are an inspiration. To have the insight and clarity you have despite every bit of you having been under scrutiny, with your only 'crime' being to challenge the status quo....amazing.

Please come back - we'll look after you Wink

StarlightMcKenzie · 28/02/2013 10:37

Yes. I just read it again

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moondog · 28/02/2013 14:55

Oh my God, what an appalling story! Just read all of that with my mouth somewhere by my shins. I am so sorry to hear of the nightmare you have had. Sad

Seconding what so many others have said. You are an incredibly talented s/lt and your passion and commitment and intelligence shine so brightly throough every post you have ever written. All you have done here for peopel on this board has been so valued and appreciated.

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inappropriatelyemployed · 28/02/2013 15:03

Dear Working,

I am so terribly sorry to hear of the awful time you have been having.

I have cut and pasted many a thread from you with SLT advice in the past to use for meetings or to raise pertinent questions with professionals. As Moondog says, you are extremely talented and committed and I hope things get better for you.

I had a traumatic induction with my eldest and helped establish a charity called the Birth Trauma Association I just mention it so you know you are not alone in that respect. Trauma is so pernicious and can result in anxiety disorders as an entirely normal response to the situation as the mind tries to come to terms with a very extraordinary event. I hope CBT has helped.

I also understand how the system can brutalise people and I admire enormously your passion and determination to stand your ground against the crappy 'professionals' you have had to deal with and fight for your son.

Anyway, I don't want anything I say to make you feel worse or to re-live things but I want you to know that you are not alone and there are many normal, intelligent, sensitive, caring women out there who have been giving a kicking by a shit system and then made to feel like they are to blame.

working9while5 · 28/02/2013 17:41

Thanks for your kind words! My little lad is doing fantastically well thank God, when his t/t was snipped he gained 18oz the first week and 16oz the following week! I was so, so worried for a bit. He is doing well, smiling and gesturing and waving and pulling up to stand and I feel I can breathe again!

It's been a huge learning experience. I won't say that's how I viewed it at the time, there are so many sob stories I could share sadly.. I suppose previously I never understood that even when you do trust yourself, the constant onslaught can reduce that trust. At times I felt like I was almost outside of myself looking at these interactions happening.. personal favourites being the OT who responded to me saying that I had been worried about transport as I had no car by saying "well I got up this morning and walked five miles, there is always another way, your two legs are still working" (five miles away from appointment place with a 2 and a half year old and a 3 month old to get there from nine while feeling truly dreadful in rainy cold weather.. yeah...) and the consultant who insisted on calling me sweetheart until I burst into tears and couldn't stop then called in a colleague to check if my baby was still breech who asked who I was, who was told by the "sweetheart" lady "never mind her, she's just one of these anxious ones".

I think in the past I really wanted to believe that people were misguided and clueless but generally not entirely unfeeling but some of the defensiveness and dehumanising language has been.. well.. eye-opening. The intention is clear when you are there in person. The arrogance and hubris of some is just amazing, especially at consultant level. Gods and lords of their own dominion. Protecting their own ego seems so much more important than listening...

I'm really not sure what I will do, whether I am going to return to work for now or not. I know that I am not going to waste all my training but the NHS is not a place I want to work at the moment. Everything is about "selling outcomes" with outcomes being measured on the most nonsensical bases imaginable... tick here if you found the session informative... etc etc. I honestly think that there are those who hope in the future a real life person will never have to be used to treat anyone, we can all just get reminders to talk to our kids by apps and the worries of the world will subside, skype group social skills anyone? It is the Emperor's New Clothes, over and over and over again.

To me, therapy is and has to be about relationship. CBT was great because I got 25 weekly sessions right when I needed (though I had to complain and wave NHS guidelines about to get them a good seven months after referral, sharp elbowed middle class git that I am) and the guy was decent and knew how to listen and when to shut up... but of course he could have been useless and it would all have been for naught. I also worked HARD, reading everything I could get my hands on, doing Mindfulness myself privately and several times a day... but of course, as you all know, there will be some smug arse in the mental health team who believes any positive outcome somehow "belongs" to them and had nothing to do with my efforts at all.

I could rant about it all day but I won't. Yet Wink.

StarlightMcKenzie · 28/02/2013 18:38

Ah Working. Rant away. You're among believers here.

You do know too that there are a good number of people here that would fall over themselves to have you in any way involved with their children and pay for a piece of your mind.

Perhaps a break to observe what happens with the whole SEN shake up and free-school thing would be a wise move anyway. It's only a matter of time before the more autonomous organisations realise that not all SALTS are the same. I have heard excellent things about mindfulness too.

I hope you are enjoying your little lad for now. I'm not so great with the little pooing dolls, but I LOVE this age of early communication. I didn't get it with DS, I ignored it when dd went through it due to focussing too much on DS, but now I'm really trying to notice it and it's amazing.

I can't tell you how glad I am that you posted. I knew you had a lot going on though you always seemed so robust and professional on this board, - I sometimes came across a post or two where it was clear you were struggling with something. When you disappeared I was worried.

I know you're not 'alright' now in every way and that you are uncertain about your future, but please do believe that at least I have always found you pretty amazing.

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MareeyaDolores · 28/02/2013 22:56

Have pm'd you

MareeyaDolores · 01/03/2013 16:07

Aargh. Killed star's thread. Sorry Blush
Meant to say, "Hi working, welcome back, have pm'd you"

MerryCouthyMows · 03/03/2013 18:02

I'm starting to get this from health professionals. I get the feeling that they are looking at ME having MH issues (not that there's anything wrong with that, but I bloody don't!) rather than accepting that they have left me unsupported with DD's SEN for 15 years, and DS2's for 9 years.

Because I'm getting louder in order to help my DC's, I am now getting treated like I have no clue how to look after myself or my DC's.

It's a long story - but my HV for DS3 doesn't even trust me to find an appropriate Nursery placement for DS3, and has got someone from the children's centre that is meant to be helping with this - bug she hasn't been in contact for months.

On the other hand, I've discounted or been discounted from many MS preschools and nurseries, because if the combo of his hyperactivity, speech & language issues, probable Autism and his severe allergies. So I've organised and been on a visit to an SN school that has a Nursery class that takes from 3yo. He has been I formally accepted, as they take into the nursery even without a statement if a section 332 is in progress. Which it is. Hmm

I just get spoken to like I know nothing and am not capable of something as simple as finding my DS3 a nursery. You wouldn't think he is my fourth DC by the way they talk to me, or that I am in my 30's...

It makes me so frustrated. And THAT is where they then say I have MH issues, because occasionally my frustration spills out!

EllenJaneisstillnotmyname · 03/03/2013 20:31

Working, so sorry to read all you've been put through. Sad But really glad you have come to talk to us. Your little bundle must be thinking about moving around, by now. Smile Hang on in there and remember you can always come to MNSN if you need some handholding. You have been such a support to so many here, we would love to return the favour. X

coff33pot · 03/03/2013 22:12

oh gosh working! Shock I had to read your first post twice I was not sure I was reading what I was reading! What a time of it you have had :(

My Eldest DD is doing Mindfulness and she says it definitely helps x

Glad that lovely baby of yours is doing so well now. Well done for trusting your own instincts :)

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