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ABA for a 10 year old HFA. Could you give me an concrete example of how it differs from TEACCH?

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inthewildernessbuild · 25/01/2013 08:34

I just read something about visuals being outmoded. So is the visual timetable which most teachers and CAMHS plug, a lesser way of explaining things to a HFA? For example, to reduce stress in mornings, people have suggested visual checklist,coat bag, toothbrush,breakfast. What would be an ABA way of tackling that?
In our house, mornings are actually fine, but I was wondering if ABA parentstyle-lite might be way of tackling some other problem areas?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 25/01/2013 09:43

Visuals aren't TEACHH. They are prompts used in ABA and TEACHH. However, with ABA they are 'faded' ASAP by giving the child other skills like memory, how to ask for help, how to organise and plan. With TEACHH often the child keeps their visual supports for Life as that is considered to be the problem solved.

It is worth noting that the TEACCH approach does have it's place but you'll very rarely see it done properly in most uk state schools.

StarlightMcKenzie · 25/01/2013 09:44

Where did you read about visuals being outmoded?

StarlightMcKenzie · 25/01/2013 09:52

It's also worth pointing out that many of us use visuals for life. Calendars, mcdonalds menu, And even the written word is often a visual support.

inthewildernessbuild · 25/01/2013 10:00

Iread it on thread here about ASD/ABA further down the page! May have misunderstood...Blush I think I meant that visual timetables are overused as solutions - that was what I read...but you have explained that one

Still, concrete examples of ABA for 10 year old anyone?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 25/01/2013 10:13

Can you describe some of the problems that you have?

StarlightMcKenzie · 25/01/2013 10:15

General KNOWLEDGE about ABA is outdated. It's a developing science, unlike TEACHH who use training resources that were made in the 70s and iirc, even the slides haven't been updated, let alone the research behind it (which at the time WAS a big step forward).

inthewildernessbuild · 25/01/2013 10:32

well, since you ask...a typical problem would be...that ds2 wants to sing loudly and do a special dance whenever he meets any child under 8, to entertain them. On the pavement, at a lunchparty, outside school. If he feels he wants to engage, that is what he will do as an icebreaker. If you try to explain that some behaviour is best in the family living room wt close friends he gets very upset, and asks why is it wrong to entertain children? He is cross with me for stopping hm doing what he believes someone else will be delighted to watch.

So how would ABA tackle that? I can imagine a social story is we enjoydancing in our living room but we don't dance in the street, laying down a principle or rule of engagement. But it doesn't really get through.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 25/01/2013 11:22

There are probably many ways to try and teach this, and social skills are difficult to teach in any approach, not just ABA. With ABA, you want to control as many variables as possible in order to ensure that the change in behaviour is a direct consequence of your teaching, in order to keep the teaching as efficient as possible. However, you cannot control the variable that is the 'other person'.

One of the ways I would approach this I think is to avoid telling him what not to do, and start to teach him the skills that are more appropriate, using the fact that he is motivated to interact.

You'd start slowly and probably role play the scripts at home and practise, practise, practise, offering praise (or whatever motivates him to keep on task) when he gets things right, and especially when he comes up with his own ideas.

Then, you'd go out to a playground and attempt it in real life. If he can stick to the 'plan' then.

The plan has to be just 'one' thing probably, like saying hello, for the first time. And once he has got that, then try the next thing.

Instead of walking around hoping he doesn't do the wrong thing and avoiding small children, you have a plan, he is clear about it, then you go out ACTIVELY looking for opportunities to practice the skill. You praise, and reinforce all the things he does correctly and stop when he is doing well and succeeding, before the situation gets strained and he starts to get negative feedback from the child.

Then you work on what could happen next, and go out and try that.

You could also watch children from afar and get him to comment on their interactions.

inthewildernessbuild · 25/01/2013 11:35

I think you are right. I think to some small degree ds is attempting this already. At swimming he went over to a group of boys who were in his class and asked"would anyone like to watch the football game that is on, with me?" (there is big telly on in the sports centre, and he had just finished an arduous hour of tennis coaching 1:1) No-one wanted to watch it (they were all finishing homework at small table) but he just enquired then withdrew gracefully without getting in a strop. He think he understood that they had a different agenda and it wasn't necessary to feel offended.

Or maybe he was just terrified I would make him do HIS homework...Grin

I've also booked him into theatre group athough there is awaitng list to try ad divert his showing off into more appropriate channels.

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