What is it called when a 'p' is substituted for a 't' at the end of a word? Does it even have a name?

[lougle]

If a child says 'wallip' instead of 'wallet', what is that called? Is it 'normal' and what age should it be expected to go by?

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i didn't know there was a specific name for it

we've had a similar experience with DD recently, she mishears words, but her ASD doesn't allow her to guess what the word should be (eg hears word 'bed' for colour 'red') it is what she 'heard' and that's it - CAMHS Dr says it's most likely that will stay with her forever, but no name given to the process.

she called it a phenomena

sorry, that's no help to you is it?

It's interesting to hear

I'm trying to work out if there is some sort of phonological issue with DD2, or whether she is not hearing sounds correctly.

Last night we had this conversation:

"Mum, is this Dad's wallip?"
"Dad's wallet?"
"Yes, his wallip."
"Wallet, DD2"
"Yes, do you have a wallip, mummy?"

She obviously wasn't picking up that we were saying different things.

we have to remember also that young DCs often have what we might think is a speech difficulty, when it's developmental, meaning they will grow out of it

DD lisps when she's tired or frustrated

How old is she Lougle?

Hi Lougle,
There's a list of phonological processes if you scroll down this page
www.home-speech-home.com/phonological-processes.html
My son has a phonological speech disorder and his main issue was final consonant deletion but that is nearly resolved now.

He does similar things. He often hears p in stead of t at the end of a word and also does it whilst trying to read (which he's finding very difficult due to his phonological processing difficulties).

I have wondered if it could be APD as my dd has auditory processing difficulties.

The repeating it back the right way is what the nhs salt advised us to do and it's certainly helped with the final consonant deletion but he doesn't realise that he's saying it differently to what we are.

www.home-speech-home.com/phonological-processes.html

She's 5.5. I'm just being impatient, trying to get an idea of what are genuine issues and what are just being young, etc., because the salt referral is going to take a long time as school have no concerns because they are not paying attention.

She's the same age as my ds. He will be 6 in Feb and is in year 1. How is she finding learning to read, of you don't mind me asking?

Ok, so your DS is 6 months older than DD2, she's an August birthday. Learning to read seems ok. She started the year on blue band books (stage 4) and is still there. Decoding seems ok, I'm not sure she's comprehending as well as she is decoding. She finds it hard to follow the plot of a story or a film, unless she is specifically asked to.

She seems to be an explicit learner, rather than just absorbing concepts.

My dd 14 ASD is like that. An excellent reader but I'm not convinced she understands what she reads.

We recently discovered that she thought TV programmes and films were real life and couldn't follow the plot properly. She was watching a csi and because it didn't explicitly show them removing a bomb from the person it was strapped to she still thought that he was wearing it even though we all knew he wasn't.

DS5 is the opposite. He can follow complex plots and his comprehension when being read to is fab but he can barely read. He's still on pink band and can't read them,

Lougle you're doing the right thing by modelling the word correctly. Always correct in a positive manner. "Yes Wallet" rather than "No, not Wallep but Wallet"

It sounds like she may have some tongue placement difficulties. P is a plosive sound whereas T is made by putting your tongue on the ridge of hard palate behind your top teeth.

Can you get her to practice alternating the P and T sounds in a drill? Do the P first then the T, then alternate the P and T. It takes practice. Best to do it with pictures if possible. Three sheets of T, P and P&T in large print. That's what DD's SALT does.

That's helpful, thanks SallyBear. She sucks her hand all the time, and her tongue gets indentations from the sucking...could that relate to any of this?

Obviously, the indentations aren't permanent I just meant that I can see that when she sucks her tongue, it must be up towards her top teeth.

Could you give her something else to chew/suck like a T shaped chew tube? Are there any drop in SLT clinics in your area? Tongue placement can be very difficult for people. DD had an electro palatal device (EPD) to train her to place her tongue correctly. She's been having SLT for the last 10 years. She is deaf, and has had three lots of palate reconstruction, two tracheostomies and two lots of jaw distraction surgeries. It's been a long road, so you have my sympathy.

Wow, she has had a long road!

We are being referred to SALT, but she's only just getting into the system - school say she's fine, I know she's not, so we're plodding through the process.

I figure in about a year we might know what's going on with her

She did start to suck the hat of a toy elephant over Christmas, which I thought was a bit of a breakthrough, but that seems to have been short-lived. She sucks her left hand and picks at the left ring finger with her right hand, so I think it's not going to be as simple as replacement.

Do the P and T drills with her as she will be doing those with the SLT. When you say it "P" is rather like blowing out a candle. ELC do the birthday cake with candles. They worked well with the P plosive.

Thanks!

she got cross with mum today because mum pointed out the reindeer is called 'cupid' and DD2 was convinced it is 'cubit'.

I mentioned 'bunk beds'and she said 'are they called bump beds because you can bump your head on them?'

She's not hearing correctly, is she?

If you're concerned get a GP referral to a paediatric audiologist. Don't be tempted to go to one at an opticians. The rooms have to be soundproofed. I do think that articulation issues are probably tongue placement, but its always worth getting her hearing checked out anyway.

Ds makes alot of speech errors as well, he replaces alot of letters with a 'b' at the start so lasagne becomes besagne, tomato is bemato and so on, macaroni is macanori theres quite a few like this i have no idea why he does it, just today he kept saying gilly up despite me saying 100 times its GIDDY up he insisted i was wrong. he sees a SALT for a stammer and they dont seem to have picked up on any of it as its never been mentioned. His pronounciation? not sure if thats the right word but how clear he speaks is poor and his understanding of anything is imo terrible trying to have a conversation with him is painful he just dosnt 'get' stuff and seems to retain no information even of his intrests, it boggles me.

Ds is almost 7 with sensory issues.

She has been referred to audiology, so that's one in the pipeline.