Please or to access all these features

SN children

Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

Some advice re DSD - this may be a little long

39 replies

DamnBamboo · 23/12/2012 11:06

Hello,

I am a reasonably regular poster and have never posted here before although I really need some advice/opinions on DSD.

DSD is 14.5 and lives with her mother. She sees us every other weekend and half of all holidays so there is regular contact.

I have known her since she was three and we have a good, friendly relationship.

She has always been a bit reclusive and quiet, nothing too unusual there I suppose. Her dad (my DH) is also an introvert and doesn't like socialising much either. I had always assumed she was like him.

As she has been getting older, she has becoming even more reclusive and quiet than ever before. Not making eye contact, barely engaging in conversation, certainly not starting conversation and often just giving one word answers when spoken to without making eye contact.

Others have commented on it and a couple of relatives, who she has known her whole life but doesn't see often, have also mentioned it and one particular family member had commented on how rude she'd become; to be fair, I can see their point in this particular instance.

She has two friends only, who she really sees outside of school and spends most of her weekends, both with her mother and with us, reading alone and avoiding engaging with any of us where possible. Her mother has a very active social life to my knowledge most of her weekends spend with her mother, are spent alone at home reading, on the web etc.

When with us, we have to ask her repeatedly to join us in family activities which she will eventually do so reluctantly and given the chance she will slip off at every opportunity to spend time alone in her room.

The reason I am posting in this instance is because of a particular incident yesterday which has struck me quite profoundly and filled me with concern.

We had been out to panto and had ended up in McDonalds for something to eat.
As we were walking to the doors to go in, i had asked her what she wanted to which she shrugged and said she didn't know and wasn't sure what they offered. She obviously doesn't eat there a lot, neither do we, fair enough.

I had ordered for my boys, my husband, and myself and then I turned to her and asked her what she wanted and she looked utterly bewildered.

I asked her if she had decided and she became visibly distressed and flustered and started to say she didn't understand. I asked her what she didn't understand and she said, this (pointing to the menu) and so I said I don't know what you mean, surely you can just read it and see what they have and go from there, to which she said, she doesn't understand what the particular items are. This in itself was confusing enough, because she can read properly I (is exceptionally bright academically) so I then said, well ask, just ask the guy behind the counter if you don't know. At this point she started cowering away, burst into tears, put her hands up to her face and refused to speak to me or her dad or tell the guy what she wanted.

We were utterly shocked at this point, she was clearly unable to make a decision and didn't want to have to engage with the young man behind the counter so I gently said to her, if you want to know what something is, just ask and he'll tell you. Still crying she turned her back on us, put her hands up to her face and wept, literally wept real tears due to the distress she was in because she couldn't cope with having to make a decision/order some food/speak with the guy - all of the above I suppose.

Upshot is I managed to order her something that she would eat and we all sat down together, but I am totally shocked at the response she gave to this.

This wasn't sullen teenage behaviour, this was genuine confusion and distress and I think perhaps in addition to other behaviour changes, she needs to speak with somebody or perhaps be assessed.

Her mother shows very little interest in her (this is another story) and i have repeatedly commented to my DH over the years that she spends too much time alone and that we should encourage her to interact more and engage with us a little more, but now I'm starting to think there is more to it than this.

Can anybody advise on this, if you think this is seems odd or if this is typical teenage behaviour, if we should ask somebody (SENCO) in her school to have somebody speak with her to see if anybody can advise of shed some light.

I am a little worried, she doesn't seem happy and her behaviour generally is becoming increasingly concerning.

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
DamnBamboo · 23/12/2012 16:01

No, nothing really. DH was with her on Wed all day for her assesments at school and she had, always has had good reports. She is a quiet, bright child and that was about the jist of it from all her teachers.

She has had boobs for ages, nothing new there, she has had her periods for ages too and is quite comfortable saying to me ' no swimming for me Damn, it's that time again'.

I constantly tell the boys to knock when they go into her room and she has her own room here with us, own wardrobe space, own space in the bathroom for her things.

I don't feel attacked, I'm just surprised some of the default responses were ' you are not very nice' despite the fact that I am taking the time to post and see if there's anything I can do.

OP posts:
lougle · 23/12/2012 16:07

How is she at putting herself in other people's shoes? Is she empathetic? Would you describe her as 'black and white'about things?

How does she cope with being weeing, or being corrected?

lougle · 23/12/2012 16:08

weeing Hmm wrong.

PolterGoose · 23/12/2012 16:17

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

lougle · 23/12/2012 16:34

I agree, in essence, but usually parents don't post unless something is worrying them. Sometimes, they don't have enough knowledge (exposure knowledge, op, not mental capacity Grin) to pinpoint what it is that concerns them. Then, one incident makes them stop and think, but when other people prompt, other stuff comes out.

My DD1 is a classic example. I was approached to say she was 'immature and behind' and that they wanted to give her extra attention at preschool. Great, I thought. 4 weeks later, she was falling over for no apparent reason. When I went to the GP I literally had a piece of paper saying 'immature, needs additional support and mum has noticed some obsessions' and said 'look, they say she's behind and now she's falling over for no reason.' That night, we were kept in, then had the attention of 3 paediatricians the following day. 3 months later we had an epilepsy diagnosis, 3 months after that we had an abnormal MRI result, 8 months after that, we had a Statement and a confirmed Special School place.

I don't think that your OP screams anything, but I do think that you are right to explore your concerns until you can identify what is concerning you more clearly, or have your concerns resolved.

zzzzz · 23/12/2012 16:39

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

lougle · 23/12/2012 16:44

I'm not such a fine example myself Grin I was completely flummoxed when I went to a cash and carry yesterday, took my goods through the checkout and paid by card. The lovely cashier gave me my receipt and wished me a Happy Christmas. She gave me my debit card. I stood, patiently waiting, until the cashier motioned to the items on the conveyor belt and said 'Are these yours?' 'No Smile' I said, confidently.

The cashier looked puzzled, as did the next customer. Then the cashier swiped the next customer's member card awkwardly.

I was waiting for the receipt...which was in my hand. It completely threw me, because she had given me my receipt before my card.

PicaK · 23/12/2012 20:06

I have to say that the MCDs menu is confusing. If you don't know what a "meal" constitutes then it could leave you puzzled even if you can read the words.

You're angry you're being attacked but there does seem like not much sympathy on your part for the girl and her mum. I note you ordered for the boys but not for her. It also seems like you pushed her to announce what she'd like when after so many years you could have just guessed.

Also she's becoming a teenager - surely her right to personal space and not having to be present or doing activities should be respected.

That said it is important to distinguish between natural reserve (no way i could have talked to a mcds server at that age) and problems. But surely her dad should be at parents evenings etc and discussing with her mum?

DamnBamboo · 24/12/2012 11:49

Hi everyone, thanks for all your advice. Some useful info here and I will take it all on board.

Please read properly, Picak your post clearly indicates that you haven't.

I have said I'm not angry, just surprised. And of course I would need to order for my three boys they all under 7 and wouldn't be able to read a menu properly! I have never ordered for her before because she has never wanted me to and no, I wouldn't have been able to guess because we never, ever eat in McDonalds and so I wouldn't have a clue what she would want, which is why she wanted to read the menu.

She isn't forced to do activities (we merely suggest things that she may like to do to occupy her weekend if she so desires) and she does have her own personal space, all described above.

Re her dad at parents evenings and relationship with the mum, read the thread, it's all there! Hmm

And regarding the mum, that is a whole other thread and I fail to see what having sympathy for her (she doesn't need or want it by the way, not sure what gave you the idea that she does) has to do with this.

Just love people who post and clearly don't know what they're talking about.

Anyway, thanks again all, I have had some good insight and advice on here and have viewed it from a different perspective so I think for now, we will just keep an eye on her to make sure she doesn't get anxious and DH will be talking to exW today when he drops her off.

Merry Christmas everybody

OP posts:
PolterGoose · 24/12/2012 12:04

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

zzzzz · 24/12/2012 12:04

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DamnBamboo · 24/12/2012 14:22

Hi poltergoose I have no expectations of what the responses should be. I honestly don't; it's why I posted because the situation (in addition to other behavioural changes) has thrown us a bit.

I did think that people would take the time to read the thread and post taking into account the information to hand and I accept based on my first post that perhaps it wasn't clear so I have tried to provide some more information.

I also find it a bit surprising that given that I am posting for help, several have made the assumption and stated that I have been nasty and that I am effectively the problem, which I'm fairly certain, is not the case. I wonder what the responses would have been if this post came from DM rather than DSM.

I have posted here because its not an AIBU, doesn't really fit into chat and I thought all things considered, I would get the best advice here. My SIL has suggested it might be SN, and has some experience with this, so I thought it might be useful to get some impartial comments, although it isn't something that had crossed my mind, but i know almost nothing about any type of SN so I am probably not best placed to comment.

I thought I had answered Lougle's questions, will go back and see what I've missed.

zzzz I am happy that it doesn't seem like SN and what I've found useful is that whilst possibly a bit of an extreme reaction, it could just be general teen angst. I was of course this age once too but she and I are very different personalities and I would not have had any issues ordering a meal in McDonalds and I find it interesting that some are saying that this could be a big deal. It's also her body language, the way she has been interacting with others as of late and just the way she generally carries herself, but again, this could just be teenagers generally.

I am really grateful for those who have responded constructively, I really am and thank you especially lougle for being so thorough in your suggestions. She is very black and white and doesn't like being corrected and I would say generally she is not very empathetic at all. But I just assumed teenage behaviour and haven't given this much thought. It's mostly the social stuff I was concerned about and ability to deal with other, but given all the responses, I feel a little less stressed about it but will keep an eye on it. I will also let my DH read the thread because he is also a little worried about her.

OP posts:
MrsMushroom · 24/12/2012 14:43

Is she eating ok? Just a thought....eating disorders can manifest in quite odd ways sometimes and she's the right age. High performing teens are most at risk.

knackeredoutmum · 25/12/2012 15:22

you know, it doesnt really seem like "normal" teen angst to me at all. The breakdown, sobbing, I dont understand coming from a very bright and academic girl who often eats out seems out of character and not at all common

It may be a very mild sn that she has been able to manage so far.

Is there any possibility that she is lightly dabbling in drugs now?

Any chance of some bullying or victimisation taking place somewhere that you arent aware of?

How about a mild mental health problem (and if so my guess would be that it will become more apparent over the next 12 months or so)?

New posts on this thread. Refresh page