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endoftherainbow · 18/12/2012 19:08

School's nativity this evening - second showing. DS3 reluctant to go but a bit of bribery and he went happily. Wish I hadn't bothered - dressed in his outfit he was sitting as one on a bench, the rest of the class sitting together on chairs. No wonder he didn't want to go. Asked brief question to teacher on the way out as to why and was told, oh it's nothing like that. ie being on own for behaviour/successful performance. Do you think that they may reflect why he answered on his pupils view for annual review that to make things better 'he'll kill himself'.! Maybe I'll feel better in the morning.

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DowagersHump · 19/12/2012 13:58

What a lovely idea Wilson Xmas Smile

If I can, I'll get online but even if I can't, I will get DS to perform his song for me wearing his hat

WeWilsonAMerryChristmas · 19/12/2012 14:40

Well why don't I start the thread and people can just post whenever they like. We're MNSN - we don't do schedules! (Except when we're really, really scheduled) Xmas Grin

Vagaceratops · 19/12/2012 15:00

DS wasnt in his nativity play, because they couldnt get him in the hall.

They needed extra tickets so I gave mine back. Nearly broke my heart. I think its because its these little things that everyone looks forward too.

theDudesmummy · 19/12/2012 16:36

My 3 year old DS (ASD) had his "nursery concert" yesterday (very multicultural/ multifaith so not a nativity per se!), it basically involved the kids standing/sitting on the stage in bright jumpers and singing some songs. The nursery did not even think of not including him, they are a lovely nursery. I and our lead ABA tutor both sat with him on the stage and we thought it went really well, as he did not scream or headbang at all (which he can do is he feels overwhelmed).

He did however spend some of the time standing out in front of the group waving his arms around or crawling backwards. A couple of the other parents gave some audible tuts, they were I suppose trying to film their little ones and my DS was getting in the way. We did pull him back and make sure that there was plenty of the time that he was not standing in front of everyone, but if we had done this for the whole show he WOULD have screamed or banged for sure.

His tutor was rarher miffed by the other parents and their tuts and said she would love to have said something. I honestly did not care at the time, as I said to her it was hardly the Royal Shakespeare Company! I have been however wondering since then though whether maybe it was a bit selfish of us to include him when he was always going to stand out in some way, either by behaving "badly" or "oddly", and therefore bother people in some way. I suppose I just wanted to have some sort of illusion, if only in my mind, that he is not so completely different from everyone else?!

MummytoMog · 19/12/2012 17:08

Mogling sings all of the Christmas songs beautifully at home - didn't say a word during the nativity play (in which she was a sheep. Pah). Teaching assistants and teacher look at us disbelievingly when we say that she sings them all at home. Mind you, she hates people singing out of tune or in the wrong key, so the Nativity play may have been tricky for her Hmm

moosemama · 19/12/2012 18:16

Oddly, plays and performances are the one time ds's school actually seems to get it right for him - and other children with SNs.

He was in a play last year and they cleverly gave him the part of a character who had to deliver a speech to the audience, rather than interacting with the other characters. He delivered his speech with gusto and it mattered not a jot that he didn't make eye contact with anyone. Smile

This week he was fully involved in the school christingle concert, which is a big deal every year and taken very seriously. Again they weren't afraid to sit him right at the centre of the action on the centre of the front row. He had a line to say, just like all the other children and they've spent weeks gradually getting him used to holding a lit candle, as he was terrified of doing it when they first started rehearsing.

On the evening, he stood up at the wrong time once and turned the wrong way to light the candle behind him, almost setting his neighbour on fire - and no-one batted an eyelid. He also had a fit of hysterical laughter when the vicar made a rather unfunny joke at the end! Xmas Grin The other kids laughed, but ds nearly fell off his chair laughing - and it really wasn't that funny. (Ds has learned that it pleases people if you laugh at their jokes - even if they're not funny, but he may have implemented that social rule a little too enthusiastically on this occasion. Xmas Grin)

I went to dd's nativity last week and the little lad they have in reception who has (I think) ASD/ADHD was also completely included. He was sat in between two other children on a row of chairs, the same as everyone else, but his teacher was surreptitiously sitting just behind him on the floor. He wriggled, shredded his tinsel, chattered, asked lots of questions, said other people's lines etc, but his teacher (she is lovely, my ds2 had her at that age) was effortlessly patient, did nothing but smile, quietly respond to him and answer his questions. He was an absolute delight and said his line beautifully (each child had either one or several lines of the narration to say) and at the end his teacher gave him a hug and told him how proud she was of him. To be honest he made the show for me, because he was enjoying himself so much and his smile and giggle were infectious - he also sang beautifully. Smile

Now, as many of you know, our school often leaves a more than a lot to be desired when it comes to inclusion, but when it comes down to individual teachers and staff members like that one, who really do care and understand the word inclusion - it just goes to show that there is absolutely no excuse for the way your dcs have been treated. Sad

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PoshCat · 19/12/2012 20:58

Great idea Wilson. Count me and Posh Kitten in. Nice too to hear some positive school nativity stories for our unique and amazing children. Smile

DowagersHump · 19/12/2012 21:04

Urgh - I just spoke to my mum who asked me how the nativity was and it made me cry :(

This SN stuff is so very hard. Thank you all for being here - I can't tell you how much it helps x

marchduck · 19/12/2012 21:11

Endoftherainbow, I hope you feel better today and Wilson, I love your virtual idea - count me in.
DD has her nativity on Friday at pre-school. The staff are fantastic with her,she loves going there, so I am hoping it goes ok...
DS had his Christmas concert last week and it was so just lovely. I had tears in my eyes, partly because I was thinking that it is just so hard to see to DD taking - she is due to start primary next year.

RinkyDinkyDoo · 19/12/2012 21:34

DS,ASD, is 5 and attends a SS assessment centre. Last year he was so disengaged,only child not to wear a father chrristmas hat,only child without shoes on and not interested in the christmas performance.
this year he wore a head band with a star on, shoes were on,a tabard to make him look like a christmas tree which he had stuck felt coloured circles on to look like baubles and he joined in with all the songs and did all the actions. Ok, he did it all with his eyes closed Smileas if he couldn't see us we couldn't see him Smile but wow what an improvement and I'm so fuckng proud of him.

endoftherainbow · 19/12/2012 22:26

I think, like others I'm not going to dwell on it. Focusing on his wider success at school and getting the support right is my priority. I'm glad they break up this week as they're very tired. I look forward to the mn virtual nativity.

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Tiggles · 20/12/2012 10:13

I don't know if this will give you hope, but DS1 always struggled with school plays etc. In reception he cried all the way through the performance, but his teacher made him stay on stage as it was "character building" I'm not sure who for, it wasn't for me, my heart was breaking. In year 1 he was allowed to sit with me as they knew he wouldn't cope (I had asked if he could have a behind the scenes job helping with the CD player or something, nope).
In year 2 he changed school and his teacher gave him a little part and then held his hand and helped him walk around the stage. Gradually his new school encouraged him and helped him.
In year 5 they told me he was going to sing a solo. I was very much unsure about that, but he did it. I was in tears (other parents who knew his issues and some staff members were too). This year, he took on a lead role and in places held the show together. I would genuinely never have believed it possible.

elliejjtiny · 20/12/2012 16:05

I'm in for the virtual nativity. DS2(4) was supposed to be in the KS1 "nativity with a twist" play last week. I was sat in the hall and I could hear him screaming in the corridor. He walked in with the class (still screaming) and then the TA brought him over to me and he spent the rest of the time sat on my lap.

At the christmas lunch today we arranged for him to sit in his classroom with a little girl who has ASD and any other children who couldn't cope with the noise in the main hall. But the little girl who has ASD wasn't there and all the other children decided they would be ok in the hall so it was just him and the teacher.

Tomorrow is the traditional nativity play in the church. Year 6 do the bible readings and year R walk in dressed up and do a tableaux thing. I'm dreading it. He is a shepherd and has been bribed (he is allowed to take his cuddly sheep he takes to bed). I know I'll cry if he just screams again and I'll probably cry if he does it as well.

The most frustrating thing is that his SN is supposed to be purely physical (Elhers Danlos Syndrome Hypermobility type). I don't know if the screaming is because he is exhausted or if he has SPD as well.

insanityscratching · 22/12/2012 16:17

I'm so sorry to read this thread. It was dd's Christmas performance this week (one each day Friday to Thursday) as every year she was included, she got a speaking part and spent time on the stage just like every other child. She was a strongman this year (Ok she wore a leopardskin dress because a male costume would have been a step too far for her but that's not considered a problem in her school) and she gave an effortless performance because she was supported all the way (nobody noticed her TA signing encouragement from the back nor her teacher strategically placed so that she didn't feel overwhelmed by the audience. She even did a spontaneous second part when a classmate was ill (her photographic memory means she can memorise the script in no time so lines aren't a problem)
It can be done by some schools, it's such a pity that it isn't done by all schools.

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