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moosemama · 25/11/2012 22:37

Well my weekend away was disastrous in many ways, but the most significant one was spending the whole of today in the Acute Medical Ward of the hospital after having what is believed to be two fits last night. (Meanwhile my poor old Mum was coping dd recovering from a vomiting bug and ds2 coming down with dd's bug really badly and even throwing up in his sleep over and over - so she had to sit up all night with the poor mite. Sad)

As for the weekend away, I didn't even make it to the meal. 6.30 pm, ordered my meal, felt a bit odd, realised it was neurological and dh took me back to our room - which was in the building next door. Went to bed and after a while felt well enough to think I was just going to sleep and would probably feel better later and perhaps join the guys for a drink before the end of the night. So sent dh back to join our friends.

Woke up an hour later felt odd and disorientated. Went to the bathroom, sat on the loo, felt odd and then woke up under the toilet, head and feet the wrong way to have just fallen off/fainted. When I came round I was aware of a sort of growling noise, and then a pain in my head. I realised when I came out of it that the pain was my head repeatedly bashing the underside of the wall hung toilet bowl.

Lay there for a few minutes until I felt I could move, got up wobbly and sat on the loo, then wham - woke up under the sink on the other side of the room - it was a really big bathroom, so again too far away to have just fallen.

There was no warning, although I did feel really strange. No dizziness and I didn't feel link I was fainting - which has happened to me a lot over the years and I would recognise that "uh-oh, here I go, slidey feeling". It was literally just, one minute I was sitting on the loo, the next I was under it with a head covered in lumps - the worst one being my left eye socket. Fortunately it didn't develop into a full on black-eye, just a shadowy bruise that can be mistaken for a shadow - can't imagine having to walk into school tomorrow with a black-eye. Shock

I also ache all over today and seem to have wrenched my shoulder - although I can't imagine how. Confused

So there I was, locked into our suite on my own feeling very scared and shaky, with dh at a gig in a separate building. Managed to crawl back to the bedroom and grab my phone and by a miracle got pretty much the only decent mobile signal I had all day to send a text that read He L p. Blush

Dh is now back in my good books after coming thundering through the pouring shropshire rain and up three flights of stairs to rescue me. He had been drinking so couldn't drive (not that we knew where the hospital was) and all I wanted to do was sleep and wouldn't let him call an ambulance, so he insisted on checking my pupil reflexes for concussion, before sitting with me until I fell asleep.

Sooo, my question is can you be aware you are having or rather coming out of a fit, or would you be completely oblivious to it? I have always thought you have absolutely no idea what's going on and because I was on my own, no-one else saw what happened.

The doctor I eventually saw at the hospital felt it was suspicious enough for them to want to keep me in and run some tests tomorrow, but I refused as ds1 was already in a state, having expected us back at 4 pm and Mum wanted him to sleep over there, which would have screwed the whole week up for him due to the routine change.

Most of the standard neuro proddy pokey tests they did today were normal, but I had a positive Babinski's reflex in my left foot (the one with Complex Regional Pain) and I have felt like I have a really bad hangover all day - which is rather unfair considering I didn't get a chance to drink. Hmm In the end they agreed to discharge with an urgent referral for outpatient EEG and yet another MRI, plus a letter informing my neurologist.

I really want to believe I just fainted, but know it didn't feel like that and I to be honest I get upset and frightened just thinking about how it felt at the time. My friends want to rebook in January for a 40th birthday, but I can't bear the thought of going back there. Sad

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moosemama · 10/01/2013 18:16

Hi folks, sorry I have been awol.

Things have been crazy here between phonecalls, GP appointments and emails to do with ds1 and appointments for ds2.

I will do a mahoosive post to catch up.

Things are looking up a little though, I think. Although I am being healthily sceptical about some of it.

First of all, dh finally managed to speak to our statementing officer and she agreed to put the indie school first and approach them to ask if they will accept ds1! Shock This doesn't mean they are going to let him go there, but it does mean they will at least seriously consider it and we still won't know any more until February, as they aren't allowed to tell us, even if we ask them directly.

Secondly GP referred ds1 back to his paed for a CAMHS referral re anxiety and support through transition. She was lovely, listened and understood, but said that CAMHS would just dismiss a referral from her out of hand, whereas the paed ds is under heads the group of services and has more sway.

Dh couldn't get hold of paed's secretary, so left a message for her to call him. She called me, the upshot of which there are no appointments until the end of March. I explained that it's a mental health issue that needs addressing immediately and she said she'd get him to call me - which he did - within the hour! Shock

Paed was on the ball, explained that CAMHS would refuse to see ds because the anxiety is purely school related and therefore not 'officially' mental health, but reactive. He felt the EP should be offering ds support for the anxiety he is suffering as a result of the school's incompetence last term, offering support through secondary transition and also with making sure the school is meeting his needs, as set down in the statement she wrote. I explained the EP is fully aware of the situation, as she attended the emergency meeting in December, but that despite his case being reopened with her, she hasn't offered support of any kind. He said he would ring her directly and come up with a plan then get back to me.

In the meantime, I took ds2 to his OT assessment yesterday and it was awesome. OT was bloody brilliant, 100 times better than when ds1 was assessed. She was unimpressed with his care - or lack of it - to date and the outcome was that she is going into school to assess his seating and tell them he needs a specialised chair that can be adjusted height-wise to ensure his feet are on the floor regardless of what table he is sitting and that she wants him to have a writing slope (our school hate letting kids have those, they are like gold dust).

  • She's also going to insist they put a care plan in place for him asap, to enable him to ask for help when in pain or exhausted, as he is currently too scared to ask after being told not to make a fuss in the past.

  • On top of that she is sending in a specialist PE teacher to teach staff how to differentiate for his needs during PE and Games and finally she is referring him for support from the physical disabilities inclusion team.

  • In addition, she tested him with lots of different, pencils, pens, rulers, cutlery etc and came up with a list of equipment that will help take the strain off his joints and hopefully reduce his pain and exhaustion as a result. We have to buy it, obviously, but at least we know what to buy, without having to waste money trying different products before we find the right ones and she recommended some shops to get them from as well.

  • Best of all, the assessment questions were all directed to him, rather than me and he got to explain what is life is like and what he finds difficult. So, it wasn't a case of me being a pushy parent, talking for him and over-egging it, she got the bare faced truth from him.

  • I was shocked at how hypermobile his fingers were, I had no idea. Even with chunky triangular pencils with grips his index finger was bending backwards greater than 45 degrees.

I knew school wouldn't be impressed, as so far the SENCO hasn't been involved with ds2 at all, I've just given his teacher a leaflet to explain JHS and what it means for him in school, sent a couple of letters about things he can't do or that cause him pain and filled in a medication permission form for pain relief.

I've always said to them when fighting for ds1, "look, it's not just me being a pain. I have two other children at this school and I never need to speak to their teachers, let alone ask for any extra support".

I explained the situation about the fight we have been having for ds1's support and how we are public enemy no 1 with the school already and she said I'm not to worry about that, she will deal with the school.

Went to pick ds2 up today and the SENCo was there. She called me over and told me that the OT called her today and is coming in next week. So she's not only on the ball, but fast acting as well! SENCo did not look at all impressed.

Other than that, I am Sad that we have discovered a large mammary tumour on my lovely belgian shepherd cross border collie girl. She is 13 and normally highly active - in fact she still thought she was a pup until a few weeks ago. She's losing weight, lethargic, obviously unhappy and crying a lot. The only thing that soothes her is if I sit on the kitchen floor and stroke her (her bed's under the kitchen table). Dh is taking her to the vets at the weekend, but ourtfeeling is that the news is not going to be good. Dh groomed her just before Christmas and the tumour wasn't there then - or if it was it was small enough to be missed on a long-coated dog, so it's growing really fast, as it's now the size of one of those children's little rubber bouncy balls and clearly has a strong blood supply. Sad I always thought she was going to be one of those that lived until they are 16/17 just getting fatter and smellier along the way. She's such a sweetheart, completely bonkers, but in a good way and not a shred of nastiness in her ever. Sad

As for me. Well, I wasn't well at all after my EEG. I had a really bad head for about 48 hours afterwards and could still see the blooming strobe lights whenever it was dark or I closed my eyes. All I could do really was curl up and try to sleep. I also had an increase in buzzing and twitches down my left side and I have had a horrible eye twitch in my left eye ever since.

My nighttime episodes seem to have abated for now, but they were dreadful in the week after the EEG, several a night.

However, I have been feeling a lot better this week. Started my diet on Monday and have lost 4lbs already, so that's perked me up - gotta love that first week of the diet water retention loss! Grin

I have my MRI next Tuesday - which is also dd's birthday - and am hoping the flipping neuro will send me an appointment as soon as the results are all in.

So, as you can see. It's all a bit hectic in the Moose household really - hence my absence.

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MerryCouthyMows · 10/01/2013 18:19

FFS, get HIM to listen to the DVLA's response - put them on speakerphone so he has no choice but to hear it.

Why is he ignoring this?

Point out to him that if you passed your test, and were driving the car on the school run, all your DC's in the car, and you had a seizure / blackout / faint / whatever the fuck HE wants to call it, what exactly does he think would happen to your DC's if you were unconscious even briefly at the wheel...

Or if you had a seizure and weren't in control of the car, mounted the pavement, and ran a child over...

It was literally the ONLY way I got through to my ex about the seriousness of it, was to spell that out like that. I then left him to think on that overnight, and asked him again the next morning if he thought I should continue driving...

It IS a PITA, my school run would take 1/4 of the time if I was driving than it does on the bus - but it's just how it is. I've reconciled myself to the fact that I will never drive again.

Sometimes you have to lay it all bare for them.

It's a bloody pain having no ID though...

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MerryCouthyMows · 11/01/2013 04:13

It's funny, Leonie, but my Ex was exactly the same, and still tries to pull the same old same old even 9 years later - "Oh it's not safe for you to be alone with DS3 blah blah blah quit my job blah blah blah get residency blah blah blah".

Until I point out that I was dxd when DS2 was 2 weeks old, he never quit his job, I had at that time a 5yo with Autism, a 19mo toddler DS1, and a newborn DS2. They're all still here and unsquashed...

(For some reason he worries about me squashing the toddler. I think he can move out of the bloody way. And why is he MORE worried about it now DS3 can move than he was when he couldn't?! )

I also used to get told "This is really hard on me, your epilepsy".

For the first couple of years I used to SCREECH at him that it was a lot fucking worse for me, I'd lost my license AND my career FFS.

He got the message after about four years...

[No ability to understand it from MY point of view because of his Autism emoticon]

MerryCouthyMows · 11/01/2013 04:16

I have no ID.

Not legally able to hold even a provisional driving license, and begrudge paying £££ for a passport that I will never use because I can't afford flipping travel insurance.

(Yet another shitty thing about Epilepsy - travel insurance skyrockets. )

ArthurPewty · 11/01/2013 07:45

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MerryCouthyMows · 12/01/2013 23:20

Only place it might be more affordable is actually getting it through Epilepsy Action - I'm sure there is an insurance company they get a deal from, still more expensive than ordinary travel insurance, but far less expensive than trying to get travel insurance for someone with epilepsy through the travel agent or an ordinary travel insurer.

MerryCouthyMows · 12/01/2013 23:22

And yes, it can lead them to be a bit cunty unsympathetic when it comes to OUR health issues, the Autism.

(How's that for me sounding unsympathetic about his Autism...Wink )

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mariammama · 13/01/2013 09:18

Free European Health Insurance card. Lets you use other countries' emergency national health services. These are mostly good, usually free, and you get treated the same as the locals.

moosemama · 16/01/2013 20:07

Hi all

Had my MRI yesterday. Thought I would be ok, as it was the open scanner and had googled and youtubed so I knew what to expect. Unfortunately, they put me in a little cubicle next to the scanner room on my own, supposedly for 10 minutes, but the lady in front kept pressing the button and stopping her scan, so she had to keep having it re-started from the beginning. By the time I'd been in the cubicle for half an hour, listening to the noise of the scanner, it had triggered all the stress memories of my horrible last 'tunnel' mri and I was really anxious.

The open scanner is a lot better, you are not enclosed at all, but I still found it hard to have my nose an inch or less away from the top of the scanner and still had the horrible panicky feeling you get with claustrophobia that comes from not being able to escape, rather than the actual size of the confinement.

I was quite worried whilst in there as well, as I started to have lots of jerks and twitches, particularly down my left side, which is what happened just prior to the seizure.

I came out of there with the familiar odd pain behind my right eye and impaired vision in that eye as well - similar to what happened after the EEG.

Still, it's done and hopefully I won't have to go through it again. I'm pretty sure neither that or the EEG with show anything significant, but at least it's over and done with and now they can just get on with telling me it's all in my mind. Hmm

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moosemama · 16/01/2013 22:03

I have just been reading about the scanner strength and you're right, the open one is apparently only 0.6 T as opposed to the others in the trust which are all 1.5 T and the newer ones available privately, which are 3T. I know that 0.6 Ts aren't much use for MS dx, although apparently the software makes a big difference, as does the protocol (slice width etc).

As they were looking into seizures this time rather than ms, the protocol would have been different anyway, iirc that means wider slices and less detail.

I was too scared to go for sedation in case I ended up aware, yet sedated and unable to feel 'in control' iyswim. I am a bit cross that they didn't explain the difference to me on the phone when I asked about switching to the open machine though and will be wholeheartedly unimpressed if the scan image is useless.

Sorry to hear about the headache. I get headaches like that, where I am literally crawling around sobbing with no means of relief. They are nothing like the migraines I used to get when I was younger, completely different pain, different location, totally different.

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moosemama · 21/01/2013 12:43

Had a really odd and very unsettling episode in the night last night.

I often get what I've always assumed was a restless legs type thing, except it's not just in my legs. My muscles go kind of tense and I have to really work hard to stretch/move them. This happens several times a night most nights.

Last night I woke from being in a deep sleep and thought the same thing was happening, when suddenly my legs, arms and hands involuntarily curled up so I was in a ball. They didn't jerk or anything, just curled up tight and stayed like that, painfully tight. At the same time my eyes felt like they were being forced wide open and I couldn't close them. I think I was aware the whole time, but have no clue how long it lasted.

Once my muscles relaxed they really ached and I spent the rest of the night feeling like it was going to happen again any second, as if it was building up. I kept standing up and pacing and shifting position - I guess trying to stop it, so I didn't really sleep very much.

Dh, of course, slept through the whole thing. Hmm

This morning I felt just like I did after my seizure - ridiculously exhausted and sore all over. I am also feeling decidedly odd, like I am a bit out of step with the world and things don't look right , although I think that is improving as the day goes on.

Surely if it was a seizure I wouldn't have been that aware throughout the whole thing?

Typically I have all three dcs off school because of the snow, but dh has managed to get to work ok.

Dh got the dcs to watch a dvd first thing, so I could wake and get up slowly. I then had a shower and some porridge and feel a littler better, but am basically just curled up on the sofa being not much use to anyone. Sad

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moosemama · 21/01/2013 13:30

I'm not so sure Leonie.

What happened last night doesn't seem to fit anything I've read about online.

I'm worried that they are going to dx pseudo seizures, based on my stress levels and lack of evidence or a pattern.

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moosemama · 22/01/2013 11:38

Still no appointment Leonie.

They said 3/4 weeks for EEG results and 2 for the MRI to reach my doctor. I'm hoping they meant my neuro, because the AMU doctor said she was notifying her and we haven't been able to get hold of either her or her secretary ourselves.

I assume she will send me an appointment when she gets the results. I will have to chase it if I don't hear anything in a couple of weeks though.

Last night wasn't good either. Nothing seizure-like but horrible intense electric buzzing all down my left side, worse than I've ever had it before. I'm completely knackered today, struggling to keep my eyes open, but I have 3 school runs and a letter to hand deliver to the LEA to get through before I can collapse.

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