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dizzy34 · 29/03/2006 17:56

Hi, as some of you know i have a son with a very rare condition. I know of another 8ish in the world although there are officaily more (about 20ish). I talk to a mum from america and we are really good email buddies. her son is 6mths older than mine and we rejoice when they ahve good days and cry over email when they are ill. Harrys story is on kidsepilepsy.com and i was recently contacted by another dad, whose son is 8mths old. In his email he asked me a list of questions such as 'what meds have worked for harry?(none), what is his development like now he is 3yrs old' (at about an 8 week old baby), what are his seizures like', (he has up to 150 per day on a bad day), can he hold his head up ' (no). I sent these answers in a really friendly email and thought no more of it. At the same time they sent me a link to their sons web site and the other day i decided to have a look. The first thing i did was go the guest book and leave a nice message, then i read the journals and smiled when i read this comment;

"Also - we have made contact with Denise, a mother in England who has a son with the same condition as Daniel. Her son Harry is almost 3 yo (same age as our Eleanor). His condition is as severe as Daniel's. He is on a different med mix, but with the same lack of success. We have also been informed of another 3 cases of Daniel's condition - none of them in Australia."

Further down though i read this and was really shocked and upset:

"I have responded differently. I am angry, but don't know who or what to be angry at. I'm angry at the doctors for not knowing what to do. I'm angry at Denise (Harry's Mum) for not being able to give us hope. I am angry at Beth for wanting to be hopeful."

would anyone else have been upset by this. Mostly i am upset because the rest of the world can read this and they have no idea of the content of my email and how friendly and supportive it was. i felt i needed to send something to him and emailed the following

"I have thought seriously before writing this email, but felt that i really needed to respond to a comment on your website The comment is contained in the following synopsis that i have taken the liberty of 'cutting and pasting' directly from the site:

"I have responded differently. I am angry, but don't know who or what to be angry at. I'm angry at the doctors for not knowing what to do. I'm angry at Denise (Harry's Mum) for not being able to give us hope. I am angry at Beth for wanting to be hopeful. I'm angry at myself for not allowing me to have hope. None of this anger is useful...some of it isn't even justified"

With hindsight i realise that i approaced the website the wrong way. I wrote a lovely comment in your guest book and then read the journals and the above comment. My husband and i feel quite upset about this as our intent was never to 'make you angry'. You have posted this comment for the whole of the world to see, with no thought as to how this would make us feel. You approaced us and asked us questions, to which we responded in a open and honest manner, we now feel violated. Would you have preffered it if we would have told you untruths? Should we perhaps have told you that Harry had suddenly got up that morning, fully recovered and now attending mainstream school?

What you have to remember is that we have faced this situation now for a lot longer than you have, and that you are not the only people who feel angry, hurt and also a sense of grief for the child we should have had. However, where we differ from you is that we would never displace this anger onto another parent who is suffering the same as us. At least you are in a position where you have another person (me) who you have been able to ask questions. This is a luxury that we were never afforded in the beginning.

I feel blessed that i made contact with coopers mum and dad and that we have been able to support each other, although they are in america. We are able to rejoice with each other on the good days, and mutually support each other on the days that have been so bad that we believed it couldnt get any worse. Perhaps if you are not ready to face the truth then you shouldnt ask.

From reading your journals, it would seem that we are totally different in the way that we approach this illness. We are very positive people, and although we know that Harry will have a short life expectancy, we are not even contemplating his funeral, never mind arranging it. This is not because we are in denial, it is because 'you are a long time dead'. We make the most of Harrys time with us. He could be with us till he is 7 or 15yrs old, maybe even 20. Harry is a part of the family and as such has accompanied us on holdiays to New york, Florida, France, Greece, Germany and spain (we even travelled 1800 miles through France, switzerland and Germany by car last year). Yes he has been ill while we where there, but we refuse to sit at home waiting for him to die. He is tube fed but that can be done anywhere. He has tons of seizures per day, but he might as well have them in disney land than in cheshire. We have gone out with him on a daily basis since he was just weeks old. We have both continued to work and and take turn eachs at the hospital appointments etc and life goes on as usual for our other children. We are currently just planning our next little jaunt to visit coopers parents in Atlanta, then travelling with them up to their mums house in memphis. So...the point of this last paragraph is to high light how i fail to understand how i did not give you hope. The questions you asked me where not questions with which i could give you hope. You asked about development, Harry hasnt developed. You asked about meds, they havent worked, you asked about seizures, he has tons etc etc. If you would have asked about living with Harry day to day, getting on with life etc, you may have recieved more hope. Harry is not going to recover, there is no miracle out there, but he has a lovely little life that is full to the brim and we feel so so blessed to have him and we have all learnt so much from him.

I am truly sorry if by speaking the truth i made you angry, and i will obviously have to be more guarded with what i write to 'new friends' in the future. I hope that you enjoy Daniel as much as we enjoy Harry. Please do not feel sorry for Harry in any way, his life is over flowing with hope, we just have bad days when friends are needed to sound off to.

What does everyone think, was i too harsh in my last email.

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dizzy34 · 29/03/2006 17:58

this is the website if anyone wants a look

geocities.com/daniel_with_love/

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desperateSCOUSEwife · 29/03/2006 18:01

No dizzy you were too kind and generous imo.

I would post that on the guestbook.

Some people aaarrgghhhAngry

bushytail · 29/03/2006 18:03

dizzy, I think your reaction is quite natural, and can I also add that I admire you hugely for the way you have responded to your son's condition.

It's clear that Daniel's family are not responding so well - yet. Maybe in time they will. Having seen the quotation from their website though, I read that as them saying they are angry with everyone, and not necessarily justifiably - a recognised part of the grieving process they must be going through. I don't think they were intending to be nasty, although they were rather thoughtless. Hopefully having received your email they will clarify things on their website.

Whatever... don't wast time feeling bad.

Lots of love to you and Harry.

twokids · 29/03/2006 18:30

I thought your reply was vety well thought out and mature.Sounds like you are giveing your son a wonderful"normal" life and hopefully they will see this and learn from it.

macwoozy · 29/03/2006 18:40

I bet it must have been a bit of a shock for you to suddenly see your name on his website when you weren't expecting it, and even more so when he describes that he was angry with you too, but it sounds like it's just his way off explaining how angry he is with the whole sad situation. I don't think your reaction is harsh at all, especially since you gave him your time and support giving him honest answers to his questions, sounds like he's not able to cope with it just yet. I hope once he's read your e mail, he'll remove that sentence that understandably upsets you.

getbakainyourjimjams · 29/03/2006 19:34

oh the page has gone, maybe he's pulled it to change it because of your response.

I think your response was well thought out and that he was wrong to write about you in such a way. I don't think you were too harsh, having to deal with something so difficult doesn't make it acceptable to take it out on people going through the same thing.

I think your paragraph about them not being the only one to go through the grief etc probably gets to the problem really. I think when you're dealing with a new dx it's so easy to think that you are the only person going through it and kind of see only your pain as real. People who have had a child with the condition for longer can be seen as getting on with it, or viewed in the same way as the "normaL' world views them ie it doesn;t really matter, their child is just that way so get on with it. I don't know if I'm making much sense- hope you know what I mean. I hope it gets sorted, I do think he should apologise.

Piffle · 29/03/2006 19:42

I think you did the right thing, you reacted as anyone would given the circumstances. I presume they simply misued a phrase - angry for frustrated or lost.
Your handling is different they are wanting to hear something from someone, something they might never hear, this smacks of a degree of denial. I cna identify this as I have been there with dd (3)and her rare condition as well. I thought and behaved as if I was angry at people making assumptions about me, her and her outlook.
But reflecting a couple of years later I was not angry
Upset, lost, hurt, confused
I think you will get a positive response, your email was well written and perhaps you may guide them a little further along the scale that they may be able to deal with things as courageously as you do
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maddiemostmerry · 29/03/2006 19:49

Thought your email sounded great, you are honest about Harry's needs but he is obviously a treasure to your family.

I agree with others, Daniel's family are possibly at the stage of shcok and anger and possibly didn't think of the impact their comments would have on you.

anniebear · 29/03/2006 20:14

I agree with the others

You wrote that e mail sensitively and with a lot of thought

and your love for Harry shows so much!!

drosophila · 29/03/2006 20:22

I suspect they didn't really mean they were angry with you but angry with the situation. They expressed themselves in a clumsy fashion which hurt you needlessly. I think your email speaks from the heart and will certainly make them realise that you are another himan being and not just a phantom in cyber world.

chonky · 29/03/2006 20:39

dizzy - just typed a really long rambly post, and then deleted it as it was going off on huge rambly tangents. The long and short of it was that I think your e-mail was very sensitively and thoughtfully put, and hopefully will help them in some way.

I know what you mean about being reluctant to ask others questions, in the past I've ignored threads on a diagnosis that my dd was initially given - like you I can't tell them that my dd suddenly could see, walk, talk one day etc. Mind you, what I could maybe tell them is how completely smashing she is!
However, I hope this experience doesn't put you off sharing your experiences with Harry, including some of the more difficult times. I really benefitted from knowing that I wasn't the only one, and that I am treading in the footprints of someone who has walked them before me. Likewise hearing from positive people like yourself really helps when I need a kick up the bum to be adventurous, like take dd further afield than France!
Hope you get the response from Daniel's family that you deserve, chonky x

coppertop · 29/03/2006 21:01

I thought your e-mail was very well written. Hopefully Daniel's parents are busy removing that sentence about you. xx

getbakainyourjimjams · 29/03/2006 22:06

Yes agree with chonky absolutely- what a lovely post.

dizzy34 · 29/03/2006 22:14

Just got a reply, thought you might all like to see it.

"Hi Denise,
This is Michael. I thought I should respond to your comments personally as it was I who the journal entry. I can understand how you would have been hurt by the remarks in my journal. It was never my intention to blame anybody for my anger. Please do not think that you have made me angry. I take full responsibility for my own feelings. As I have stated some of my anger isn't even justifed, its just what is happening for me. My journal is an honest reflection for what is happening for me on a day to day basis.

You are right our situations are very different, and I assume that at any time our children's health may be at different stages. Beth and I have greatly appreciated all the information that you have supplied us regarding Harry's condition. I am encouraged with the reports of your travels with Harry. I would like to think that we could also do more than just sit around the house.

Beth has felt extremely encouraged and supported knowing that there are others who have some understanding of what we are going through. As my journal says, I respond differently. I have suffered from clinical depression for several years before Daniel's birth. Part of my way of coping is to make a record of my feelings, which helps me take responsibility for my sorrow, frustration, and anger, rather than blame the events or the people around me. I also have bad days where I sound off. You may have read later postings in the journal where I record the celebrations of good days with Daniel. This too is part of my process.

Please don't feel the need to be guarded in your responses to anybody who asks questions. It is vital that the truth be told. I appreciate your honesty. You have absolutely no need to apologise for how I responded to your comments. I wish I could take away your feelings of violation, as it was never my intent. Thank you for your replies.

Regards
Michael"

Quite a good response isnt it

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bushytail · 29/03/2006 22:16

Thanks for sharing that with us. I hope it makes you feel better about things :)

mixedemotions123 · 30/03/2006 08:26

Just wanted to say that my heart goes out to you and your family. What you are having to cope with puts my problems so much into perspective, and I am sure I am not the only one who feels that way after reading your thread. You live every day to the max with Harry, and at times it must rip your heart out when thinking to the future, and having to be strong when things are really bad. I have so much admiration for you, and wish you all the very best.Smile

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