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claw4 · 26/10/2012 10:39

I will paraphrase rather than word for word.

'ds presented in A&E due to deterioration in self-harm. He had cut himself with scissors the previous day.

He reported that he deliberately self-harmed because of worries related to school and his brothers. He has two brother (16 and 19) he said that 19 year old sometimes hit him when he lived at home (i would add ds did not volunteer the brother info, i had to prompt ds to tell CAMHS what he had told SW and i told CAMHS that his brother hadnt lived at home for over a year)

He told us that he was bullied at school and this make him worried and not want to go to school. When asked about going back to school, he said he hated it and it would make him very sad and worried. He also said he worries about his eye problems and autism.

He has been self harming by scratching himself for approx 2 years. He described he sometimes has itches and he has to scratch himself. I wonder if there is hypersensivity to feeling on his skin, which evokes a need to scratch.

He decided to scratch himself with scissors because he was feeling sad, he wanst sure why he felt sad. He reported also punching himself and hitting himself with a hairbrush. He reported scratching does nothing to help his feelings. He said he is happy 1% of the time and unhappy 99% of the time.

I assessed his thoughts about wanting to die, these thoughts are connected to wanting to get away from his worries and his scratching rather than intent to die.

RISK He has a significant history of self harm which is triggered by his worries and sad feelings. Risk to others low. Risk to self low.

Safety plan was agreed with mum
Says about keeping all sharp objects and medication etc away from him and
I advised that mum will need to consider whether DS going to school would cause an increase in self harm and wanting to die. Ongoing liaison between CAMHS and school would be helpful to develop a joint understanding and way of managing his self harm

Yours thoughts please?

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claw4 · 27/10/2012 08:20

Ds wrote me this letter last night "i want to die and go to hell, theres more point hating life, than liking life. Sometimes i think of life as a stupid, ugly rainbow that im going to blow up with 10000000000 TNT and blow it up with me.

He then drew a picture with him hanging dead from a branch and labelled with arrows 'me', 'branch' and 'rope'.

and another picture labelled 'TNT' with a picture of him dead next to it.

at the bottom of the letter he says again 'I WANT TO DIE NOW' in caps.

He was also writing notes on his ipod and showing them to me 'i want to die', 'i hate myself' 'i wish someone would end my miserable life'

He was spinning around in circles and hitting and his head on the door, when i stopped him from doing it and told him not to he will hurt himself he told me 'it wont hurt me, life hurts me'.

He was then wandering around the house, looking for things to hurt himself with, locked himself in the bathroom. I had to unlock the bathroom from the outside, he was laying in the empty bath banging his head backwards on the bath.

He then broke down in tears, cuddled me and kept saying sorry, sorry. He said that he 'was only joking'

This 'mood' lasted about 2 hours, then after that he was back to his 'normal' self.

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Lougle · 27/10/2012 08:44

Claw, I'm reluctant to post this, so please take it with sincerity, but what is your reaction to these moods?

I ask because DD1 wasn't eating, and we had dietician appointments, she was prescribed shakes, wouldn't drink them despite saying she would. Weight dropping off. I was trying not to show how worried I was, but she must have picked up on it because she wasn't as bad at school. Eventually, I lost my rag with it all, and (not my finest hour) told her that if she didn't east she would go to hospital and have needles and tubes, like x at her school.

In 3 months, since that night, she has put on 700 grams in weight and is eating much better. I think that now she's realised I'm not going to beg her, she's more motivated.

claw4 · 27/10/2012 09:23

These 'moods' have only just started, so not something i have been dealing with for a long time. I am generally very laid back as a person. I wouldnt cry for example in front of ds.

This 'mood' started when ds and his 16 year old brother were hitting a balloon back and forth. Ds decided that his brother was hitting the balloon the wrong way and kicked him in the groin. I told ds that he must not do that and took the balloon away. He charged upstairs to his room, i left him for 10 minutes, then went up.

He refused to talk to me, but was writing me notes on his ipod, things such as "i want to die, i hate myself" etc. I ignored the messages and told him he should come downstairs and say sorry to his brother. He came down, started spinning in circles and banging his head on the door.

I stopped him from banging his head on the door and sat him on the settee, he started to threaten to bang his head on the table, i told him if he did that he would hurt himself and he replied "it doesnt hurt me, life hurts me", he then scribbled the note to me and curled up and hid in the cabinet underneath the TV. He was there for about an hour and i left him there. My thinking, he was safe, couldnt hurt himself there and would calm down. I went into the garden and had a ciggy.

When he came out, he went back upstairs to his room and started hitting himself with a plastic sword, he has for his Halloween custom he told me he wished it was a real sword. I removed the sword from his reach.

He was then wandering about, looking for things to hurt himself with, then looked himself in the bathroom. I unlocked the bathroom door and he was laying in an empty bath, banging his head backwards on the bath and telling me ?you hate me, my brother hates me, everyone hates me?. I told him this wasn?t true he told me ?you do hate me, everyone is angry with me?. I told him no one was angry with him, I was his mum and its my job to tell him if he is doing something that he shouldn?t do?. He then broke down in tears, hugged me repeating over and over that he was sorry. He then started laughing and told me he was ?only joking? and could we go and tell his brother, that he was only joking. We came downstairs, he hugged his brother, said sorry and was then his ?normal? self again.

I have no idea if i dealt with this the right way?

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Lougle · 27/10/2012 09:52

It sounds good Smile

I only posted because it was only after DD1 started eating again, that I realised how much I had been stressing over it.

DD1 also does the 'no one likes me thing'. In fact, she has a song she sings, in which the sole lyrics are 'no one likes me' but with a rising note...it's quite heartbreaking, but I generally just ignore it, or say in a very bored voice 'we like you, DD1, but we don't like it when you x.'

claw4 · 27/10/2012 10:33

Lougle, it is stressful, very stressful, its also very upsetting to hear your 8 year old telling you repeatedly that he wants to kill himself and wants to die and to see the pictures he draw of him died. Ive had tears, plenty of them, not in front of ds though. Im trying very hard to detach my emotions and just deal with the practicalities, the same way i have always dealt with things. It helps to keep me sane.

Im seeing it as a cry for help and frustration, rather than an actual wish to die, for now anyhow. Ds has been self harming for two and half years 'secretly' and this has been totally ignored and i havent been believed and neither has ds. I see this as him 'increasing' that cry for help, the danger is, if this attempt is ignored, i fear it could escalate even further.

I am very mindful of giving attention to this behaviour. My plan is too, acknowledge how he is feeling ie yes i can see you are feeling sad, but you cannot kick your brother in the groin, ignore what i can and just stop ds when he hurts himself. I have removed all sharp things out of his reach etc, but i cannot remove walls and baths or doors unfortunately.

Im treating it similar to a toddler tantrum, when ds was younger, he used to headbutt the floor and really hurt himself, black eyes and everything. So totally ignoring is out of the question, as he will hurt himself, so its stopping him from hurting himself, while ignoring if you see what i mean, is what i am trying to achieve, if you see what i mean?

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AgnesDiPesto · 27/10/2012 11:08

Claw the CAMHS 'report' is just an A&E record. Its helpful but just a snapshot of that day. The purpose of an A&E psych assessment is just to decide if that child needs admission or is safe to go home on that day i.e. whether there is real intent to kill themselves which needs urgent intervention - hence the low risk.

The purpose of the team meeting will probably be to say these are the cases CAMHS saw in A&E this week and to discuss and decide what follow up each case needs - its just a referral process - the A&E psychs are just there to make a decision on that day does intervention have to happen now, if not what referral do we need to make and what time frame - then pass it on.

Its a different process then when your DS is seen by CAMHS proper which will (hopefully) be more about a longer term plan / programme of intervention

My gut feeling is that you have enough indep evidence now his school have ignored his mental health needs for 2 years - just the fact someone has recognised he has self harmed for 2 years is massive - it does not matter if trigger is sensory, ASD behavioural what matters is that his emotional needs have not been met to the point they have triggered long term self harm. I am not sure when the indep EP is seeing your DS? But you now have I would think evidence to support keeping your son at home until a new placement is found and that a transfer into that provision would need to be a gentle, planned transition done under a statement.

Like you say you have tried mainstream twice - its not reasonable to make him fail again. I would really hope CAMHS will support you in this

claw4 · 27/10/2012 12:47

Thats exactly it Agnes. EP is in December. For now the only people 'backing' my decision to not send ds to school is the 2 psy's ds saw in A&E. They have said they are happy to trust my judgment, until ds starts his CAMHS therapy.

However, i realise they will be under a lot of pressure from the school and LA to 'change' their minds with the line 'ds displays no signs of anxiety or self harming in school and is happy, so why shouldnt he attend school, he is missing education etc, mum is over anxious, over protective and exaggerates his difficulties etc'. Given they have only seen ds once in A&E, i am hoping they dont change their minds.

So i feel it is important to keep them updated with ds's current behaviour etc, while i appear 'concerned' but not 'over protective', so they continue to 'back' my decision.

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AgnesDiPesto · 28/10/2012 09:32

So do you need him to still be in school until Dec when EP comes?

I guess a note to school saying 'as DS has been drawing pictures indicating suicidal intent, on the advice of CAMHS I will keep him at home today'

And keep / date the pictures

creamteas · 28/10/2012 09:57

What is the EWO like? Is it worth contacting them directly and asking for an urgent meeting?

Maybe if you ask them to get CAMHS to move faster because you are concerned about the impact the delay is having on your DS's education, this might get them a bit more onside?

Obviously if they are part of the problem this won't help

claw4 · 28/10/2012 15:13

Agnes the Psy from A&E has been brilliant, she told me to give school and SW her number and if they had any 'concerns' about ds not attending then they could speak to her. That she will let me decide on a daily basis if i feel ds is able to cope with school and if i think he cant, dont send him. If school or SW contact me then pass on her number and she will explain the situation to them.

When ds starts his CAMHS therapy and get to know ds better, i can discuss with them if i should force ds to go to school or whether an 'alternative' for him is the better option.

So i have written to her to 'update' her on the situation and sent a copy of the note. As i am guessing she will have to 'justify' her decisions.

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claw4 · 28/10/2012 15:20

Creamteas, the EWO doesnt know her arse from her elbow!

When my GP signed ds off from school, she phoned me as she thought i was home schooling ds. Even after i told her i was not home schooling, he was signed off sick, she had a hard time understanding what my intentions were. I also found a very critical note she had written on LA file about me, following this conversation.

I dont think involving more people, into an already complex situation would help, as no one communicates.

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