bed wetting (on purpose) problems. Please vote on solution.

[getbakainyourjimjams]

ONe of ds1's favourite annoying habits has returned. I have some ideas of things to try but am not sure which one to go for.

So the problem. We put him to bed (put him in his room then put 2 travel barriers up), he strips off and gets into bed. I dress him again when I go up to bed and remove the travel barriers. Usually his bed is dry at this time. In the morning he strips off again and wets his bed.

So potential solutions:

1. Put him in pyjamas he can't take off. He won't wet his bed unless he is naked. But problem if he stirs in the night and tries to strip off and can't- he would start yelling the place down.

2. I don't get him dressed before I go to bed. I think stripping is the first part of the sequence leading to weeing. I thought maybe stopping that would stop the rest of the sequence. Bit worried about him kicking off the covers and getting cold at night.

1. Get up before him (not always possible) and make him go to the toilet. Did this this morning- but he got really cross and went back to bed and insisted on having the barriers back up again, then lay in bed shouting refusing to get ready for school.

Or do we just sit it out and hope it goes away again.

was your ds doing it on purpose though Davros? DS1 can hold urine forever when he wants to, he;s just doing this to be a git.

Actually, no, I don't think he was. Since being on Risperidone he sleeps so deeply that he wets the bed without realising. It used to annoy me but I know he can't help it so I've got philosophical about it. So its not quite the same thing..... Maybe try not dressing him before you go to bed then and see what happens? Actually DS doesn't wear anything in bed (not even Chanel 5!) because of bed wetting. DH's theory was that, if he is wearing PJs then he can't get away from being wet, but if its the bedding then he has a chance of getting away from it. We keep pyjama bottoms in a special box for him to wear around the house, he knows where they are and can get them if forced!

I did try not dressing him (thinking that if I broke stage 1 in the sequence then it would prevent the rest being triggred) but didn't work. I really wouldn't mind if it was an accident I could kind of shrug my shoulders about that, but he laughs as he does it (we wake up to the sound of giggling) and it just drives me insane. He then leaps into bed with me naked,pinches me and tries to wee in my bed. Lovely way to wake up.

What about not letting him out of his room if he's done it, whether he's awake or not? He must find jumping into bed with you very R+. Not easy though when you need to get up and get going for school etc... Little sod!

Oh he's quite happy to wallow in it. He comes into me when dh gets up. He wallows in it at night as well, doesn't seem to bother him. Little sod indeed!

What about going the plastic bedding option? I have got a fully waterproof duvet which DS doesn't like the feel of so I put it in a duvet cover but then have to wash the cover. You could try one of these without the cover (it was quite expensive from Fledglings but never needs replacing or washing!). And you could make him lie direct onto the fitted plastic-backed sheet, I usually put two on at a time with a pee-soaking sheet in between so I just have to take off the top 1 or 2 layers and not remake the whole bed. He might not like the feel of it?

Have you tried limiting the amount of fluid intake to the absolute healthy minimum given as long as possible before bed?

We have opposite problem with dd as she hates weeing, will hold it in for hours obviously needing to go desparately, think it's a transition issue, she hates having to interrupt what she is doing to go to loo/or is unaware she needs to go, resulting in daily leaking in pants before a last resort dash to the loo. Then refuses to remove wee stained knickers at bedtime so sleeps all night in them until getting dressed in the morning, nice! I have tried running a tap so it's just trickling when she is around to tempt her into doing a wee, that maybe worth a try for your ds before bed to completely empty his bladder?

We have a plastic duvet cover but I will look at the fledglings one- thanks Davros.

Ds1 can hold and hold as well- we've ended up at the doctors once and the hospital another time because he hadn't been for 24 hours. He always wees before bed, but he seems to have gallons by morning, he would have something I guess even if we got him on the toilet at midnight.

Ohhhhh

That might be developmental delay re kidney function - chronic late bedwetters don't produce the vasopressin which shuts down kidney function overnight. It's a hypothalamus/pituitary thing (can you tell I don't understand this at all!)

That's what desmopressin tablets do for them and it does work, but only if they don't wake up during the night, IME (conscious brain seems to cancel the effect of the tablets.)

If he is sleeping through atm, could you try him on desmopressin? You can get it as \link{http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23069170/\nasal spray} as well as tablets. If he produced less the problem might go away with it (she said hopefully )

He's not weeing by accident though. He only wets himself when awake on purpose. He does it because he knows he's not mean to so he thinks it's hilarious.

Oh I realised that, it was just what you said about the volume he produces - I thought if that was reduced it might make a difference in terms of mess.

oh I see. The kylies are quite good at containing mess- unless he kicks them off, but there is other waterproof stuff there- I'm a bit wary about ds1 and medication because I'm never sure what effect it will have on him. I would try something if I thought it would have a potential advantage for him (reduce self harming or something) but not aure I'd feel right giving it for my benefit iyswim. Really I think I neeed to set the alarm for 6am and get him up then,but as you can see from the time of this post ds3 is up again and I'm too tired. My il's are staying next week- perhaps they'll do it for me ? (rolls on floor, clutching sides laughing helplessly) :o Perhaps not!

We were given desmopressin, or whatever its called, and I didn't give it either for the same reasons Jimjams. I just decided that he couldn't help it (unlike your DS!) and I would have to live with it. Maybe you could try some ideas out while your ILs are over and they could have the other 2 later in the day while you have a kip and DP person has DS1?

ha ha ha ha ha (at the thought of the ILs offering to have the kids so I could have a nap). PMSL :o Would be nice though!

OK we have now entered a full blown weeing obsession. DS1 climbed into ds3's cot today and weed in there. Aghhhhhhhh! He's hardly been left alone this holiday either as we've had quite a bit of help in.

Perhaps its a pouring obsession, in between trying to wee in my bed this morning he was trying to empty a pint glass of water on my bedroom floor.

heeeeeeeellllllllppppppp! (I'm going to be very pissed off- excuse the pun- if ds3's cot ends up a favoured weeing spot.

merely in regards to the cot... would a cat net over it be any help in stopping him getting in again?

nah, he'd just pull it off. I need to get a lock on the outside of the door. It already has a gate but that doesn't stop him. Need to get a lock on the outside of ds2's room as well and our bedroom so I guess its lock shopping time again.

ha ha at him having to want it more than winding me up- I suspect you have hit on the problem :o

ds1's (ex- sob -ds1's moving class) teacher couldn't contain a snigger when I called him (ds1) a wind up merchant. he said when dealing with ds1 to "think teenager".

OK so what would you do if a teenager was weeing in your baby's cot :o Apart from leave home.

have you tried a ping pong ball with a smiley face on it in the toilet?
I'm thinking novelty factor here... would he understand the point of aiming for the ball?

Unforunately I think that's beyond him really- he already likes putting things in the toilet so it would probably just encourage that, or he;d get cross because the ball wasn't doing whatever it was "meant" (in his head) to do.

He still sits down to wee at home, although I have a feeling they have introduced urinals at school- and I also have a feeling that that's when the weeing everywhere and watching it routine started last year. He's started squatting on the seat like a monkey or something to poo (am trying to stop that one before it starts) so I'm really wary about anything unusual with toilets.

you can get a little plastic urinal that fits on your toilet at home, again novelty value maybe?

although, he might want to poo in it as well???

methinks i'm not going to come up with a solution for you lol

dont want another pants down loo incident.

school start back soon jj?

I don't think there is one really- he loves winding us up so much. He was in hysterics in the swimming pool today because he was half drinking the water and half pretending to drink the water and I kept telling him not to. Absolutely fits of giggles. Kept him amused in the bath tonight as well. No theory of mind? My arse!

The problem is that reverse psychology thing of telling a child to do one thing so they do the opposite doesn't really work because he doesn't have the language ability/subtelty to understand it.