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Eliza22 · 18/09/2012 14:27

I wasn't sure where to post this.

I'm wondering what will happen to kids with special needs in relation to our (crap) governmental proposals to bring back the "one final exam"? My son has asd. He's bright and articulate but, he has a very poor working memory, tries hard and needs one to one attention to a) keep him on task and b) keep him calm. He's just moved up to mainstream secondary with asd attachment unit. The present system of continual assessment, modular work and few we exams were his only change (as far as I could see) of achieving any academic qualifications. Now, I think it'll be impossible.

I understand that the system needed an overhaul. Clearly, school leavers today are not ALL exceptionally gifted and the reams of A* handed out are more about school league tables than achievement for some. But this? What hope will there be for kids like my ds? And possibly yours.

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Eliza22 · 19/09/2012 11:55

Bump !

Oh dear, no one else?? My son will reach the changeover year - 2017.

I suppose I could ask school....or worry about it nearer the time.

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tipsycat · 19/09/2012 13:30

Yes, this will affect my DS too.

He's just started yr 7 at an ASD specific senior school. We had a huge battle to get him a place there as it's in a neighbouring county and the only ASD specific provision in our county doesn't cater for children who have the capacity for passing GCSEs.

He'd cope with the current GCSEs (and hopefully pass a handfull) but 3 hour exams!!! No chance. Sad

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 19/09/2012 14:03

I've been worrying about this myself as my DS2 has just started Y8, but he may be one of the lucky ones to take the last of the GCSEs in English Maths and Science at least. Even so, they will be final exams, not modular. Sad It's going back to the seventies. I suppose before CSEs there were no qualifications that a non academic DC could get, but the 2 tier system was crap. I much prefer having all the qualifications having the same name whether they are foundation or higher or whatever. I don't think this government cares a lot about average DC, let alone those with SEN or SN. Very worrying...

AgnesDiPesto · 19/09/2012 14:10

Yes I agree no chance for my DS now. He is only 5 but I can see that chance of him even getting basic english and maths would be a miracle and most likely he will never get a job as a basic qualification in eng and maths is needed for pretty much any job these days.

I can only hope that so many children don't achieve with this exam that employers stop asking for the qualifications again!

Eliza22 · 20/09/2012 09:02

Thanks for your replies, ladies.

This morning on the news, the man from Ofsted was saying "for those who don't thrive on an academic diet, vocational courses/qualifications need to be included". So, we're back to the two tier system. When I was at school (and I'm 50 now) I did Oxford Board GCE O'Levels. I got 7 good ones, an A, the rest B's. However, I was placed in the "thick" class for maths. There were 5 pupils in this CSE group and I still didn't "get" it and only achieved a Grade 4 CSE. Which basically means, I sat there for 3 hours, wrote my name on the paper, scribbled guesses down and felt sick.

My son will not, under any circumstances, be able to sit exams in this way. There will be no "recognition" for the years of effort he's given/course work etc, and he'll come out with nothing. Nice. Thanks Mr Gove and the rest of the Conservative Govt.

I hope they don't survive the next election but either epway, all those kids in Yr 7 now, will be caught up in the shambles that will be 2017.

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bochead · 20/09/2012 11:39

Call me bonkers, but here's my thoughts. The proposed qualification for system for England and Wales promises to fail many of our children on this board. However we all know many foreigners who integrate successfully into the UK with alternative overseas quals. Perhaps our kids need to exit the English system for one that can get them where they need to go?

I honestly think we are gonna have to go outside the box a little with schooling and qualification options in order for some of our kids to gain anything at all from their years in secondary education. Britain has become very international and colleges/Unis and employers have all become adept at accepting overseas qualifications from applicants at 16+

There are a very ordinary few state schools that have gone over to the IB curriculum if you want your child to remain in a mainstream comp- though you might have to move house to gain access to one. For Aspies specifically Central Academy in Wandsworth is an independent special school that follows the IB curriculum and sends kids to UK Unis every year.

On the back burner at the moment I keep Interlink high which does the current GCSE programme online as a home study option. (£800 a term) I'll be looking with interest to see what they do next, as a high proportion of their students are either Aspie/other SEN or expat.

There are lots of American High School homeschool online schools that lead a child to getting the American High School Cert. Each state seems to run its own online High school programme too.

There are also Canadian online Highschools. Like the American ones these tend to allow a child to work in a modular style and build up coursework style credits rather than the all or nothing end of course exam approach favoured by Gove. (There lots of online homeschooled kids in Canada due to the vast distances, rather than any specific ideology. This means the Canadians have been real innovators in Internet based schooling, and again several provinces offer their own state-approved solution)

I expect, though I haven't researched it personally the Australians will have Internet based diploma options too for outback children & expats, in the same manner as the Canadians.

I worry about online home ed as regards to providing DS with the ongoing social support/friends etc, etc as he is benefiting hugely from all the NT peer role models he has at school. Access to any ongoing NHS therapies such as SALT & OT he may need is another major worry for me, and tbh the key reason I'm not homeschooling currently. (The authorities seem to conveniently forget homeschooled kids exist as regards therapy whenever they can. DS would never had any SALT if a tribunal hadn't ruled he should).

COST is a major factor in choosing to go down the online quals/school route as none of the options I suggest above are free. Also there are a lot of general logistical issues around working/homeschooling for a lone parent like me. However I'm not prepared to see him go through 5 years of hard work for sod all, which is the risk we run if Goves proposals do go through.

I'm lucky in that my son only year 4 right now, and I do realise this gives me time to research other options that those with kids already of secondary age just don't have. I still thought it was worth putting my idea of pursuing non-UK qualifications "out there" in case it my help someone, as this is all so very wrong. The days of rote learning and minimal comprehension of subject matter will be back with a vengeance if this man gets his way.

Didn't mean all that to turn into such an essay, but was keen to share my thoughts on the "Gove- levels" and open a debate in a nice safe space like this as our viewpoint will be so different from many on the main boards.

AgnesDiPesto · 20/09/2012 12:03

Interesting boc.
At this point we have no idea if DS will even get onto NC levels let alone KS3! I do agree that GCSE's are easier than O levels - I did one and my sister the other and for the really academic professions / uni's I can see its hard to choose when so many children are getting similar grades. There is a need to teach essay writing earlier etc for certain professions.
But surely it is possible to extend exams at the top without changing the system for those nearer the bottom. They used to have S levels or Special Papers for these children to do on top of A levels.
Even when people did O Levels there were some exam boards that offered coursework options - although few children did them they were around if you sought them out.
I think there are 2 issues one is the children who will not succeed academically and just need to know the practicalities which will get them through life and into a simple job with a basic knowledge of money, not leave them too vulnerable etc. but they still need a basic english and maths qualification for a job and may struggle to get a C in an O level type exam.
But there is another group - particularly Aspies - who are actually very academically able but cannot perform well in a single exam model. For them its a reasonable adjustment / disability discrimination issue.
I agree the US system is better - eg modular degrees where you earn credits as you go and can move uni or take time out and still complete a degree, not have to start from scratch.

boredandrestless · 20/09/2012 12:14

Boc that's very interesting, I hadn't really considered having DS follow an online home schooling programme at senior age but even before Gove's latest plan for education Hmm I was worrying about my choices for DS from year 7 onwards.

My DS isn't aspergers but general ASD, I have no idea how he will do academically. He's currently average or below average in the key subjects, and that is with a full time 1:1 TA.

bochead · 20/09/2012 13:11

I think of my son STARTING formal education at the beginning of Year 3 instead of in reception like his peer group, due to the delays in accessing appropriate support. He's bright, but has lots of ASD ishoos iykwim.

I was just beginning to envisage my son eventually getting an average clutch of GCSE's, but perhaps a year or 2 behind his cohort given his late start to "formal education". The new Gove "all or nothing" approach has blown all this new found optimism of mine right out of the water.

I'm not gonna give up on him, even if the UK state education system does iykwim. All that GCSE's are when you peel it down to basics, is an entry benchmark to those courses and opportunities that prepare young people for "adulthood proper". I just want to explore other "access routes" for him.

It's nice being able to share an idea with y'all without being called "crazy" - so thanks!

bochead · 20/09/2012 13:27

Meant to say too - if anyone wants to share potential online curriculum solutions they've found - I'd be really keen to hear about it.

I'm not convinced given his sensory issues DS will ever be able to cope with a mainstream comprehensive environment (- even with support). Gove has now driven me to look at the qualification options too.

The UK homeschool "scene" is dominated by the "unschoolers", I do very much want DS to have access to a formal structured curriculum, & qualifications. This leaves me a little at odds with the most popular homeschool philosophy, and I think is an important point to consider if looking at existing homeschool groups to provide opportunities for socialising.

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