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RDI workshop and activities for non-verbal kids - Jimjams and others

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Saker · 16/03/2006 20:32

We are currently attending the 4-day RDI (relationship development intervention) workshop this week. We have done three days out of four and it is really good. Everything about the technique makes loads of sense and we have seen a lot of video clips etc of it in action and the positive effects it can have.

I know there has been some discussion about whether it is suitable for non-verbal children and severely autistic children and I wanted to report back what we have seen. Dr Gutstein (whose brainchild it is) is adamant that it is actually easier to work with non-verbal children rather than verbal ones in the first instance because the language doesn’t get in the way or distract them. The sort of activities you start off with are similar for both verbal and non-verbal kids, just tailored more to the individual child. They are very simple “regulation” activities which help the child to see a pattern into which you start to introduce variations. For example – putting laundry into the laundry basket – you might do this with your child hand over hand making a different noise every time you do it, inserting pauses at unexpected moments etc. Another child we saw on the video was pouring water into a bottle hand over hand with his mother. Basically you can do any activity that is simple enough for your child to succeed at - the activity itself isn't relevant but the idea is to give your child the feeling of competence and to learn to regulate their behaviour in response to yours. Oh it's hard to summarise everything we've seen and all the theory but it is very clear to me that it is no different for non-verbal or verbal children. They have moved way beyond the sort of activities described in the RDI book. I just wanted to feed this back for people who are interested.

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Saker · 21/03/2006 21:17

Socci
we are only just getting going with RDI having been to the parent training last week and we are now waiting to get Ds2 assessed to see what stage he is at and to get some help getting started. So a description of our day wouldn't be very helpful to you at present.

RDI is supposed to be very much lifestyle with some specific time set aside ("lab" time) also. One of the big changes for us is to change the way we talk to Ds2 using fewer imperatives (such as instructions and questions) and more declarative (experience sharing language). Instead of saying "what did you do this morning Ds2?" we might say "this morning I went shopping". He has responded to this really well and might then say "I went to school". Obviously the benefits may be less obvious with a non-verbal child but it should still take the pressure off them. Parents with autistic children often ask a lot of questions, give a lot of instructions because they are not getting the feedback they need any other way.

We have only been doing this for 4 days and for the first time ever today Ds2 asked me a question about what I did. When I told him I went to the shops he asked me what I bought! Smile

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Saker · 21/03/2006 21:44

Forgot to add, Socci, that you can see some video clips of RDI on the Connections Centre \link{http://www.rdiconnect.com/RDI/members.asp\website}. You need to register first than access member services.

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Socci · 21/03/2006 22:39

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Saker · 21/03/2006 22:57

He is 4.5y. I should say he doesn't have an ASD diagnosis although he definitely has some traits and the professionals are divided as to whether he is on the spectrum or not.

He got it without being specifically taught. But again he has been working towards it for a while in his own development and since I found out about RDI I have been trying to use more declarative language anyway so it has been more of a gradual process than just the last few days. He has always been quite keen to interact within the family so I would say this was one of the areas he is more likely to get quickly. But I think the whole area of non-verbal communication and monitoring his environment will be a lot slower.

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getbakainyourjimjams · 21/03/2006 23:03

I've tended to use declarative language a lot with ds1 anyway- it's one of Sally Ward's recommendations in Babytalk, which I bought years ago pre-dx when we first had concerns about language development. I think its a Hanen tip as well. I cringe when I hear people shouting lots of questions at their children (or even worse mine!)

sphil · 21/03/2006 23:07

Have been reading this thread with great interest. I've been trying some of the activities from Stage 1 of the RDI book (even though you said 'throw it away' Saker Grin)and have been really pleased with DS2's response. Still can't afford a consultant, but am very tempted to buy DVD now. Does it give more of an idea about how to put together a programme than the book?

Socci · 21/03/2006 23:11

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getbakainyourjimjams · 21/03/2006 23:12

ok I'm off to check out the washing machine then bed!

getbakainyourjimjams · 21/03/2006 23:21

Hmm actually ds1 probably would do that now - but partly because he loves washing machines so much (so really I should be avoiding them I guess). I would struggle to stop him doing his own thing though - like spinning the drum. He can follow a point like that now, but only recently.

Was there relevance to her saying "we did it we washed the...BIG PAUSE TO GIVE HIM TIME TO SAY clothes". Interested because we do that all the time and I thought that was something I'd picked up from ABA. (Because we do it with PECS).

Socci · 21/03/2006 23:27

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Saker · 22/03/2006 13:28

Sphil My mum's got my dvd but if I can get it back you could borrow it. I was less keen to lend it out before the training but now I don't feel I need to refer to it. Send me your address and I'll try and sort it out. I still don't really think you can get a program set up just based on the dvd but it gives you a much clearer picture of what it's all about and it was what convinced dh to give it a go.

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Saker · 22/03/2006 13:54

Socci I think the video clips are from children at different stages in the program. It would nice to see some from the very start though.

I can give you one example of an "activity" with a non-verbal 5 year old at the workshop although he was fairly passive (although having said that he spent the first part of the video trying to escape). Dr Gutstein spent the first 20min sitting next to him just holding his hand. The child was sitting in the "W" position on the floor which apparently isn't good, so Gutstein folded his legs. The child folded them again, Gustein unfolded. So they established a sort of regulatory pattern just doing that. Later Gutstein let go of the child and he walked away and then came back and sat on his Dad's knee. Gutstein lifted him off and walked him to the far side of the room then returned to his seat. The child returned to his father. They did this a couple more times and the child was starting to get the idea and was actually orientating himself towards Gutstein and holding out his hand to be walked over to the other side of the room. So they have established a regulatory pattern - next introduce some variation. When they are walking away Dad hides behind the curtain. When the child comes back he can't find his dad so he turned to Gutstein and referenced him and Gutstein pointed to the curtain and he found his dad! As they walked away the next time the child actually looked back at his dad to see if he was hiding again! Then the father hid behind the other side of the curtain. This time the child came running back and straight to the curtain - Dad not there - references again and finds him on the other side! This was all with a child who had never done any RDI before.

I guess what that shows is that with some children you have to work with what they give you. One suggestion made to us is that you stay holding on to the child. When they start to pull away, you pull back gently, they pull again and you just work with that as your regulatory pattern to start with. Our group leader also said that with some children she just spends the first sessions sitting in the room with them, not even smiling because it sends them off into one. I agree though that it would be long haul from that to some of the activities though and I don't know what path they would suggest you take.

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Saker · 22/03/2006 13:56

Jimjams

Although Steve Gutstein was saying that you shouldn't work with the child's obsessions etc, I'm not sure all the consultants totally agreed. Maybe in the real world if that's your way in, that's your way in.

The mother paused to spotlight the fact that they had been successful together. So she is trying to create the memory for him of a successful experience that will help to motivate him to do new things again in the future.

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Saker · 22/03/2006 13:58

sorry meant to add about not working with obsessions, I think if you do you have to make sure you are firmly in control of the activity and it is not up to the child to take the lead.

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sphil · 22/03/2006 17:39

Saker - thanks a lot, if you're sure.It would be great to have a look at the DVD before buying it. I've been encouraged by the (admittedly limited)success we've had so far but, like Jimjams, I'm finding it more difficult to see how we could progress beyond the very early activities. I'll e-mail you later (am supposed to be looking for something in the loft and have sneaked onto MN...DH will be muttering downstairs...)

sa3ida · 28/09/2022 03:21

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I wonder how did you go about RDI

Saker · 08/10/2022 12:31

Goodness this thread has just popped up on my watchlist and it's a blast from the past! Here is a link to the RDI website https://www.rdiconnect.com/ if that helps.

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openupmyeagereyes · 08/10/2022 14:38

sa3ida we have recently worked with an RDI consultant, though not in such a technical way as described in this thread. I’ve no idea what your child is like, but look at the Co-regulation Handbook and the Declarative Language Handbook as she recommended both of these books to me.

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