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mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 13:43

This is going to be a bit long winded, sorry!
My asd ds aged 7 is in yr2 at ms school. In yr r and yr1 he had the same small group of 5 children that he made friends with, and in lots of ways they were his role models as when he was unsure of things he would copy what they were doing etc. When he went into yr2,he was seperated from them all (the whole group stayed together in another class). At the time we spoke to the head expressing our view that it was the wrong decision and not going to help ds with his lack of confidence etc, and she said that he would have found any class difficult and was not prepared to put him back with the others as the class lists had all been finalised. In his new class there was only a couple of boys that he knew, and only 1 that I had ever heard him speak of and his name is George.
Since early on in his first term in YR2, my ds has been increasingly "bothered" (school words") by another child who also plays with George called Daniel. For whatever reason I do not know, but he has behaviour issues, and seems to find my ds an easy target, as he doesn't respond well to being pushed around etc, (schools words). My ds has come home from school numerous times with an injury,varying from a scratched arm, face, hand, to a nasty incident which involved having his arm injured with a pencil. (my ds called it a stab, but i don't want to be over dramatic) He has had his work screwed up and stamped on in the bin on one occasion too.
I have on numerous occasions spoken to his teacher, which resulted in the above comments, I have spoken to the senco, who suggested trying to set up a "safe place" where he could go if Daniel was bothering him, or if he felt anxious, which to date has never materialised. I have spoken to the Deputy Head who seemed to be very understanding, and assured me that he or another member of staff would try to have a little chat with ds when possible to see if Daniel had been bothering him. (Anxiety is a major issue with ds). To the best of my knowkedge this has only taken place a couple of times in the last 4 weeks. I have tried to warn ds to stay away from Daniel, but he doesn't seem to understand that if he wants to play with George, (his only familiar face in Yr2) it will usually involve playing with Daniel to as they seem to always be together. I spoke to his teacher again last night following yet another scratched face. She said "other than to put them in solitary confinment what else can she do). She also felt it necessary to point out that ds has to get used to having to face people "bothering him as it will happen throughout life". She sees it that my ds "chooses to play with George and Daniel" which feels to me that they are not getting any idea of how little my ds understands, and how his social skills are. All small group support, emotional literacy work my son has, Daniel has it too, therfore he never has much escape from him.
I accept that I am being over protective of ds, but I don't know how to help him with dealing with all of this. He is having a tough enough time trying to cope with his learning difficulties, without having all of this as well.
He needs help at school to understand that he can still play with his old friends from yrr and 1,even though he is not in the same class. The latest thing i have had from the head was a letter saying that class teacher had seen nothing significant to be a concern, and that they feel that it is in my ds best interest for class situation to remain as it is.
Somebody please tell me to stop worrying, as at the moment I CAN'T. It breaks my heart. Should we try to get SN school, leave him in MS, we just want him to be happy {sad}

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MeerkatsUnite · 16/03/2006 14:09

Hi mixed,

Sorry to read its like this for you.

I would be very worried as well, I would consider going back to the class teacher and Deputy Head asap and also put your concerns in writing from this point forward.

I would also ask for a copy of your son's school record.

Why was your DS separated from his friends?. I would argue the point with the school that surely a bad decision can be reversed.

Do you know if the parents of Daniel have been called into school and if so what happened?.

Does your son have a statement yet?. To my mind no statement = no support.

This is to my mind bullying - your son is being picked on by this other child because he is vulnerable. To my mind this other child should be removed from where he can have a go at your son, not the other way around!. It sounds like the school are trying to fob you off and just as bad they cannot or will not deal with the problem.

(On a general note I do not think that some schools have the first idea of how to deal with children who have "behavioural issues". Well they certainly don't in my DS's school)

mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 14:42

hi meers.
It is a blo%%dy nightmareSad. I don't think I have ever heard a good word said about Daniel from other parents whose children have had dealings with him. It's quite sad really, and I don't feel a seven year old child can be entirely to blame for his behaviour. I know that the mum is constantly being called over at the end of the day. I have never spoken to her, maybe I haven't got the confidence to. I am a very shy person, and at the end of the day I believe that she is not responsible at school, they are, but I am sure she is aware of the situation.
I have a letter to send which i had help with from parent partnership which i will be sending to the head, for all the good it will do. We were told by LEA that they are going ahead with assessment for a statement which is good news, but if he gets statemented, I cannot see it being through before the end of YR2.

Meers, this may be a daft question, but what would his school record show me? I did ask the deputy head if he could find records of how many injuries he had recieved at school i,e.how many times he had been to medical room, but again it has never happened.
When I had meeting with head at end of YR1, she was unable to give me any reason why my ds was removed from his friends. I told her that the Educational Psychologist had also expressed her concern at the likely implications and she wasn't interested. All she said was "if at some point a child was to leave the school, she would consider moving my son to his place. Problem is it has never happended. With the way it has gone on now, I think it would be even harder for my ds if they moved him now, as he may well see it as being his fault, and he really can't cope with change. I do think that if anyone needs to be moved its Daniel. On the flip side of it all, he is only a child, and the school are doing him an injustice in allowing things to carry on as they are. I am always hearing other parents say what a horrible boy he is which is sad, especially if he has his own problems.Sad

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MeerkatsUnite · 16/03/2006 17:41

Hi mixed,

I would not take this matter up with Daniel's mother directly. Infact the general consensus seems to be not to confront the parents of the child concerned if such problems arise. (I have actually seen the consequences of parental confrontation and its not pretty) Would instead continue to go through the official channels. I would think the Mum is all too aware of the situation re her son and school but for whatever reasons she along with school cannot or will not deal with the problem.

Send the letter you have written by all means; at the very least you should get a written reply.

The school record is a valuable way of finding out what has been going on in class. Ideally it shoudl contain copies of reports. which have already been sent home, results of classroom tests and copies of any complaints parents have made. You would not be able to see information in the records that would disclose information about another pupil.

www.bullying.co.uk is a good website and they have an e-mail facility you can use to write into them.

Its good news that the LEA have agreed to assess; I would think though the statement will not be in place unfortunately before he gets to Junior school. It takes 26 weeks for such a document to be set up (and that's if its all straight forward and you agree with its content).

"When I had meeting with head at end of YR1, she was unable to give me any reason why my ds was removed from his friends. I told her that the Educational Psychologist had also expressed her concern at the likely implications and she wasn't interested. All she said was "if at some point a child was to leave the school, she would consider moving my son to his place".

This school seem not to understand ASD at all do they?. There is probably no reason at all - its a poor decision borne out of a lack of understanding. To ignore the advice of the Ed Pysch is unbelievable. I cannot for the life of me understand where the school are coming from here.

The school are helping no-one here with their attitudes.

TBH I would have a word with IPSEA as well; they may be able to shed some light on this.

Have bumped this up for you anyway; I would be interested in what other Mumsnetters have to say.

You may want to put your problem on the Education thread as well for more to see if you so wish.

I wish both you and your son well.

Socci · 16/03/2006 17:58

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mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 18:08

thanks for the advice meers Smile, you have made me feel a lot better. I do question myself, am i being over protective? should I be doing this that and the other? for 2 pins I would keep him off until something is done, but I know that is not the answer, and would not be doing ds learning any favours. Is there an easy way of posting message without having to retype it all out????? not that I am being lazy or anything, it's just that dh is home now and he will only moan at me if i am clicking away for the next 2 hours Grin. I will be sending the letter to school with a few modifications. We have a meeting arranged for monday with ds Psychiatrist, Senco and Senco from Juniors and his class teacher. Should be interesting. The last one we had last July, my dh said "I get the feeling that you view us as being a pain in the ar**, to which she replied "yes you are, but if you weren't, you wouldn't get anywhere would you? Pretty unreal really. Hope we don't get any fireworks on MondayGrin

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coppertop · 16/03/2006 18:15

The school's attitude sounds awful. Shock They are effectively saying that your ds should just get used to being treated in this way and, IMHO, that just isn't good enough.

The school should definitely have a written record of the injuries. At ds1's school the staff fill in an accident form every time there is an incident and have to describe any injuries. This form is sent home for the parents to sign. If another child is involved they will not be named (even if it's a genuine accident) but will be referred to anonymously.

mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 18:27

We have on a couple of occasions had a red letter sent home, neither of which were related to Daniel, surprise, surprise. We didn't have to sign anything though. In the last incident on Tuesday, ds came home with a scratch on his face which he said Daniel had given to him. Nothing was said by teacher in his home/school book, so when he went in yesterday I wrote in his book to let her know that ds had told me. When I picked him up yesterday, she said that she wasn't aware, had spoken to deputy head who apparently WAS aware, had spoken to Daniel, and felt it was just a little incident. Not really bad communication at what is supposed to be one of the best schools in Hampshire.

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MeerkatsUnite · 16/03/2006 18:37

Hi Mixed,

You should be able to cut and paste your original message on the Education board without much hassle.

Start at the top of your original message and then drag the cursor down to the bottom (left click of the mouse to cut then right click the mouse button so you can paste). Then you can go to the Education part of this site and paste the message.

This school's attitude certainly does stink, they need a scwibb up their arse!!. If the Headteacher was aware then how is it that the class teacher was not. Seems to be a lack of communication there. As previously mentioned though school won't disclose any info that will pertain to another pupil.

Wishing you and your son well. Good luck with your meeting on Monday, can DH go with you for extra support?. Let us know how it goes.

ntt · 16/03/2006 18:57

Their attitude stinks. I was a bright child, top of the class (actually lol) in most of my subjects, but then when we changed from middle school to the comp, I was separated completely from all my friends (the school was divided into 2 totally separate halves for some reason and they were in the other one) in much the same way. I was put on a table with my worst enemy as it happens. Anyway, to cut a long story short, I was very unhappy, my schoolwork plummeted, I went off the rails and it affected me for rest of my life. Of course I'm not saying that will happen with your ds at all - I didn't have a switched on mum campaigning for me for a start. Just wanted you to know I understand how important this can be for anyone, let alone someone with an asd. Hope you can get it sorted.

mixedemotions123 · 16/03/2006 20:29

thanks meers, dh transfered it over for me. I am not a lot of good with computers.Grin
ntt, sorry things were so miserable for you in the past.
thanks all of you for your messages, I have only been using mn for a short time, never knew it existed until someone mentioned it on holiday at xmasSmile

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