ds3 is toe walking <thud>

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Just as I was beginning to come off high paranoia (he's picked up a sign-for more- that's good!).

My mother says he's doing it to wind us up (!) :o It's working!!!

Really thought I'd know one way or another by now (14 months) but honestly haven't got a clue.

toe walking= sensory?

probably doing it to wind you up

Poor child- his first words are going to be "walk properly" or "put your heels down". Yep sensory.

He also has a major tantrum and whacks his head- BUT i'm not worried about that as I think he's copying ds1- he's alrweady learned it can hurt and often just hits himself instead (like ds1)

My ds was a real toe walker at this age. Clarks wouldn't sell us shoes ans he wouldn't put his whole foot down.

He's NT btw. Righted itself by 18 months iirc.

did u have any inkling with ds1 at 14months?

i know you had concerns about ds2 due to his speech wasnt it?

TBH despite my mum's comments I think she's the one with the ebbie jeebies because she rushed off to look it up- apparently can be normal after a child's been walking for a while- he has. Mind you she also says "ooh he's just ignoring me on purpose" which makes me cringe as she said that all the time about ds1 (and I hadn't particularly noticed ds3 ignoring her!)

JJ I am sure you know, the more you know the more you worry! I am sure you have noticed with your experience of things, when other mothers might not think it anything out of the ordinary.

And as for 'walk properly' being his first words, I'm sure MN would approve of that far more than 'pooh bear' which is what my DS says

ds2 knew by 15 months that he wasn't autistic. He had that weird speech thing but after 15 months knew he wasn't autistic.

ds1 suspected from 17 months (but 1st time so wasn't looking).

Ds3 is excellent at imitation, very different from ds1 (and ds2). Very active. Just wish his joint attention was a little better!

Actually Socci joking aside that was one of the big reasons dh got the snip- emotionally I/we couldn't do it again. It takes a bit of a toll!

When does ds3 see HV next? Is it 18 months?

As I had ds (nt) first and then dd I didn't really have to worry but looking back now if it had been the other way I probably would have been worried about ds. He used to line up his animals all over the place and although lots of children do this I would have worried it was more iykwim. I guess I am rambling but what I am trying to say is that lots of nt children when younger do funny little things. I guess we look for those "red flags".

That's true- ds1 has never lined anything up, but ds2 used to all the time.

Is your ABA provider traying to make you paranoid I can just about deal with the waiting to see if the child is ok, to then have to wait for them not to lose language no way!!!!

GBIYJJ, I walk on my toes quite often (usually) when I'm barefoot round the house - always have done it. DH takes the piss out of me for it... Noticed DS1 doing it the other day (he's 23mo - been walking since he was 17mo) and I have no concerns about him - he can ignore me for Britain and has various toddler peculiarities and "must happens" too!

Picking up the sign for more is a good sign, I think.

Cannot imagine how frustrating it is not to know for sure for you.

I can understand where you are coming from. DS2 is nearly 18mths and still not saying any recognisable words. This was exactly how it all started with DS1. Because of the family history of ASD DS2 is already under the SALT but just being observed. Some of the things he does is very NT, he's got great non-verbal communication and uses sef taught signs, understanding seems age appropriate, good joint attention, always bringing us thing, socially flirtatious, throws a ball well etc but he doesn't point very much and although his eye contact is better than DS1 I'm not sure it's entirely normal. I know these two things (as well as age of first word) are fairly important prognostic factors for ASD despite him developing typically in many other ways that DS1 didn't. I go from thinking DS2 is definitely NT to wondering if he's got some ASD traits or simply a different manifestation of ASD. He's suddenly developed a strong interest in doors, DS1s overwhelming obsession, which made my heart sink BUT I think he's learned this from watching DS1.

The waiting and wondering and scrutinising how they are being is frustrating and hard, isn't it?

Lx

blimey- your areas good- couldn't get anywhere near a SALT for ds2 even though he was incomprehensible aged 2 and a half. In the end ds1's private SALT dxed a speexh disorder (now fine). Really hoping to avoid anything with ds3!

I saw the 2 year old losing language thread and shuddered, but when I read it they hadn't had they- was relieved!

Do you have sensitive feet hunker?

better that phrase than the word and sign 'more' being their first - don't know what I was thinking teaching dd2 more - al I hear at the moment. Must be going through a growth spurt.... more biscuit.

Even though we know dd2 is NT doesn't stop me looking for signs of things... she had her mmr the other day and I have been sick at the thought of giving it to her. ALthough it was only a couple of days ago - have been watching her like a hawk....

I am paranoid that dd2 is not walking at all. SHe cruises the furniture and the walls and will walk - when she wants to - holding our fingers. SHe can stand up and sit down unaided... very controlled - just doesn't seem to want to walk. Everyone is making me paranoid by asking and seeming concerned when I say no she isn't walking yet..... even though in my head I know she will when SHE is ready.....my heart makes me wonder... to the point of asking the GP the other day should I be worried.

When the GP saw her stand up unaided in the middle of the consulting room - she just looked at me and said dd2 is doing fine. SHe is especially amazed at her language and use of signs....the fact that she is able to pick up signs without being taught and has so much language was fabulous.

As to the head whacking - is he seeing ds1 doing this?? Reason I ask - dd1 sometimes grabs herself when she is getting grumpy or is annoyed when you have said no... noticed the other day - dd2 grab ehr own hand and then her leg when I said no... there is so much that dd2 does in mimicing dd1.

A friend's ds was a toe walker and he is NT - just seemed to want to walk on his toes for a long while.... even ran on his toes iyswim.

Sorry for the ramble - just wanted to say that - I am sure we all worry for whatever reason. We sometimes sort it our for ourselves and then someone says something - like you mum - and you start doubting all over again.

Don't know really - just seems more comfy to walk on tiptoes (only when barefoot though - don't do it in shoes, so maybe a sensory thing - had never really considered it!). They're quite ticklish though and DH reckons I'd give the princess and the pea a run for her money...so perhaps!

I am another one who toe walks in bare feet, I hate the feeling of putting my feet flat on the floor. My mum remembers that when I was little she took me to the Dr's as my toes became bent. I was so resisitant to having shoes put on that I would curl my toes under as I couldn't stand the soles of my feet to touch the inside of the shoe.

I would keep a note of it and when it happens. If joint attention hasn't improved by 18 mths I would visit your private SALT for advice and consider referral. Joint attention is a big thing for ds4 and this is something that really stood out to me along with his late pointing.

Hope he is just winding you up.

We haven't got a private SALT anymore- and the NHS pre-school specialist SALT is a witch bitch from hell (who is also crap). I still have the Sunderland test kit on my sideboard (he's gluten free anyway). Maybe I should feed him some gluten then do it?

jimjams, how do i get the sudnerland test kit?

Just caught up with this. Sorry to hear that DS3 is winding you up! (hope that is all it is). Doing the sunderland test sounds a bit scary to me at this stage!