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cormsilky · 03/07/2012 10:42

HERE
about Toby young and his views on disability/SEN- the massive twat

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NotOnUrNelly · 03/07/2012 18:31

Personally I'm in favour of erring on the side of giving people a hearing ...you are then free to disagree and say why you disagree. Supportive is great - but people have to be free to tell you where you might be going wrong also.

They are using the normal e-admissions system for students without a statement and claim to be non-selective - so unless parents of children with SEN actively avoid the school - they could get students with SEN. So what's to stop, let's say an undercover reporter or even a prospective parent ringing up and asking to discuss how the school would cater for their academically able but very needy non-statemented dc? #just sayin' They do say that they will admit children whose statements name the wlfs...can a school STOP an lea from naming the school ??

NotOnUrNelly · 03/07/2012 18:34

to answer my own question...
Where a local authority ("LA") proposes to name the Academy in a statement of SEN made in accordance with section 324 of the Education Act 1996, it must give the Academy Trust written notice that it so proposes. Within 15 days of receipt of the LA's notice that it proposes to name the Academy in a statement, the Academy Trust must consent to being named, except where admitting the child would be incompatible with the provision of efficient education for other children; and where no reasonable steps may be made to secure compatibility. In deciding whether a child's inclusion would be incompatible with the efficient education of other children, the Academy Trust must have regard to the relevant guidance issued by the Secretary of State to maintained schools.

stopping now b4 I start to sound obsessive

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 03/07/2012 18:55

The 'old style' academies aren't bound by the same regulations as the new style ones, IIRC.

ouryve · 03/07/2012 19:44

Unfortunately, moondog, I do know people who are taken in by what they read if they are under the impression that the person is writing from a position of knowledge and authority.

It's unfortunate that TY clouded what is a fair opinion, that able children need stretching and an opinion that inclusion doesn't always work by wrapping it up in the negative and rather hysterical language of bigotry. Nobody would have batted an eyelid at his article if he hadn't come across as such a spiteful dick and used such inflammatory language.

bialystockandbloom · 03/07/2012 20:37

ourvye you have put it perfectly.

His use of the word "inclusion" is no difference from common and garden use of the phrase "political correctness gone mad" to try and cover up the fact that what he is saying is bigotted, prejudiced, hateful and disablist/racist/sexist/misogynistic.

It's like the apparent swinging back towards "old-fashioned common sense". This is just a smokescreen peddled by right-wing media fed by a government to pass through the most sickening cuts to welfare in the last 60 years. No different from the 1980s when eg Labour councils were lambasted as 'loony lefties' for introducing policies of equality.

Moondog yes of course a huge majority of people believe this crap. The Sun and Mail have biggest readership of all papers, and together make up 3/4 of the readership of this country.

Sorry slightly OT but it's the same thing at work. Once you use "inclusion" in such a derisory way the same paragraph as "wheelchair access", "SEN departments" etc, you have planted seeds in susceptible minds that this is what 'inclusion' means.

moondog · 03/07/2012 20:43

Words will always assume negative connotations.
That's the way a language works.
'Moron' used to be an acceptable medical term.
'Special Needs' is now fast becoming a ghastly euphemism.
TY has achieved his aim-to attract attention.
That is the way he works.

bialystockandbloom · 03/07/2012 20:56

Yes that's the way it works - and what he has done is try to plant a seed that inclusion (for which read putting a wheelchair ramp in) is responsible for dumbing-down of education.

The more people believe this stuff, the more the govt get away with the cuts to SEN, DLA, housing benefit, JSA, etc etc etc etc.

Thankfully it seems by the comments on the Spectator website that the huge majority of readers have seen through the repulsive disablist comments.

moondog · 03/07/2012 21:02

That's a huge connection to make Bialy.
That it's all part of an evil Tory plan to cut the poor off at the knees.
Labour pumped ££££ into education and it has made bugger all difference whatsoever.

Good education has very little to do with money.

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