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elliejjtiny · 11/06/2012 23:12

Not sure how to start this off so I'll just copy and paste sparkle's opening post from the last thread and hope I've spelt hypermobility right in my thread title Grin.

We reached 1001 threads, so here we go with a new thread. This thread was originally started so we could get together and share experiences and expertise in Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Marfans, Benign Joint Hypermobility, and any other medical conditions including connective tissue disorders which cause joint hypermobility, pain and all the associated symptoms.

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auntevil · 09/10/2012 17:57

Sparkle Not hypermobility related at all, but I had seen on the education boards and read something in TES about schools being targeted to fail as they were just academies in waiting.
This is particularly going to affect schools in 'leafy suburbs' as they are desirable. It might explain why when ours went into special measures we came out early as obviously no-one wanted us as an academy Grin
I often think that OFSTED is mainly about management and record keeping - can you prove what you're saying. As we all know, you can have a good caring school that value your children and push them to achieve, but if the management is not 100% you are failing. I know what I would rather have for my DSs!
Good luck btw!

IShallWearMidnight · 09/10/2012 22:20

Not visibly bulging veins (I don't think anyway), just purple feet when you stand up. It's a sign of PoTs where the blood drops down as normal on standing cos of gravity, but with PoTs (and/or stretchy veins cos of EDS) the blood flow does t get kickstarted properly and the blood stays in the feet and legs.

If DD is snuggled up on the sofa after 15 minutes or so her feet are bright purple and she needs to "pump" her feet to get the circulation goi g before she stands up, otherwise she'll keel over, generally on the stairs Sad

TheHumancatapult · 11/10/2012 06:06

St John it could be raynualds it is often seen with EDS

TheHumancatapult · 11/10/2012 06:13

Midnight mine do that to but think its because mine are always low down and don't flex at all

auntevil · 11/10/2012 09:37

THC - Pleased that they sorted out transport. Personally I would rather have information given to me Friday than wait and see what appointment time might be given when re-scheduled. I know some diaries are so full you could wait months.
It might also be the default position of the secretary. She might be told to make sure that as many people stick to their original appointment wherever possible. She may have over egged the insistence. We all have been on the receiving end of over officious secretaries! Biscuit
Whatever the reason, I'll keep my fingers crossed for positive news. Smile

TheHumancatapult · 11/10/2012 11:25

Aunt it was the local cardiac team that are insistent .

Just spoke to Dr ninis sectary she still has no funding to set up the clinic my local team are being very slow but asked be copied in on what happens tomorrow as if pots he can go direct to the syncope team for tests

But she wants to know what or anything else they found as obviously may be a complication to the test and may not be pots . But looks like she may end up as his Genral paed as a way in . As local cant deal so needs a bigger hospital and I won't go to GOSh

TheHumancatapult · 11/10/2012 11:27

Will put big knickers on and big breaths for tomorrow I'm hoping it's a lot of fuss about nothing

auntevil · 11/10/2012 17:30

I'm getting this wonderful image now of flaming red hair and big knickers - a bit like a SN superhero! Grin

TheHumancatapult · 12/10/2012 12:37

Lmao

We have dx he does have POTS and the other reverse version to trying increase fluid and add salt to diet also irregular heart rate that may require pacemaker .

But least know now but tired

bizzey · 12/10/2012 18:26

THC...Hope you re feeling ok after getting dx...not quite sure what to say...
as in "oh no ..poor you "....or "oh good you got a dx then "..if thet makes sense?

How are you feeling about it all now ?or is it still mixture of emotions ..
Hope you have a nice evening .

auntevil · 12/10/2012 21:29

THC ditto bizzey 's comment really. Sad for the dx - wouldn't wish it on anyone, Smile that you got a dx and that they have started thinking ahead.
Wine and Chocolate tonight (make it stretch a whole weekend), then back to business on Monday.

IShallWearMidnight · 13/10/2012 11:08

I'm fervently of the opinion that getting a diagnosis of something with a name is really important, even if the thing is scary, as at least you KNOW what it is you're dealing with. DD improved almost overnight when she was first told there was a physical cause for her fainting. And she's probably the only person to have walked out of Prof G's clinic shouting "YES, I HAVE EDS!" (she was really worried that he would be yet another doctor who ummed and ahhed and said "well I don't really know").

THC, I'll PM you in a bit with some links once I find them again.

bizzey · 14/10/2012 15:42

THC...how are you today ?

auntevil · 16/10/2012 17:36

DS1 had physio on Monday and we had a really pleased physio as he has improved his strength around some of his core muscles. Hopefully this will mean less falls, less tiredness etc etc.
Who do I have to thank for this? Me? No, DS2. I can't quite work out if he would be a brilliant personal trainer, or an evil army PT officer (bit of both Grin ) . He has managed to find the buttons to push (sibling rivalry?) to get him to focus and try very hard.
It's a win - win - win situation. DS1 gets stronger - DS2 gets to boss his big brother around - I get to do other things ( Sad housework mainly ) - result!

moosemama · 16/10/2012 22:55

THC good that you've finally got a dx for ds so a treatment plan can be actioned, but so sorry it was what it was, iyswim. Sad Hope you are ok. ((hug))

Aunt, well done ds1 ... and ds2.

I'm having an odd time of it. I have today been dxd with complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS - used to be called Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy or RSD). Came on here to ask if anyone has heard of it in relation to EDS, as it seems to tie in and there's some stuff online about the two being comorbid if you google.

Then I read up the thread a bit and found the stuff about blood pooling in the feet and being unable to return and was gobsmacked as that's part of what's been happening to me.

Basically, CRPS is a type of autonomic dysfunction, where the sympathetic nerves in an extremity go a bit crazy following a minor injury (in my case an ankle sprain and little toe fracture). Initially the body fails to switch off the emergency signals telling the limb to restrict blood flow (in case of excessive blood loss) and this results in the affected area becoming pale and cold (typical shock symptoms). The emergency signals then get stuck in a loop between brain and limb and you get random swelling, nerve and blood flow issues so the limb will either swell and go red/purple and burning hot with excruciating burning pain or go bluey/white with blackness (toes in my case) and icy cold. In addition to this you have constant pain which is extremely out of proportion to the initial injury. There is a picture on my profile of my foot just starting to go red and swell and that was almost 9 weeks after my sprain.

In my case my foot swells and goes purple with black toes as soon as I stop having it raised on a couple of cushions. I was told that the blood is pooling into the foot but unable to return.

I have been to A&E, had xrays done, then back to GP - insisted on more xrays, back to radiology and then back to GP and no-one knew what was wrong - although the second GP made it all much worse with an agonising examination that had me in tears of pain for 48 hours despite high strength co-codamol and naproxen. She referred me to NHS physio, but said it would be weeks, if not a couple of months before I'd be seen and I am now just under 10 weeks of being on crutches whilst in constant really bad pain.

So, decided in desperation to contact a local podiatrist and physio team that run a foot and ankle clinic to see what someone who knows about feet might make of it all. They deal with sports and trauma injuries, as well as diabetic neuropathy etc. Physio came round to assess me at home today and she was amazing. Knew what was wrong straight away and was also able to connect up my neuro problems and hypermobility to the problem straight away. She picked up straight away that I have extremely low tone in my feet and hypermobile joints throughout the foot and ankle. She was also the first person I've seen in almost ten weeks to do more than just poke my foot in a couple of places and actually do a proper examination of function and pain etc.

She works for the NHS as well as various private clinics and said there is no way this would have been picked up in time via the NHS route. You have to catch it within the first three months or the prognosis is not good. She also has the nous to connect up my different health issues and see a pattern suggestive of a whole, system issue, rather than just - brain lesions = brain problem, hypermobile feet = hypermobile feet and CRPS = overactive sympathetic nervous system/autonomic dysfunction.

Of course the frustrating thing is that I will never get the NHS to join the dots, make the right connections and finally agree that there is something fundamentally wrong with my overall health or that the overriding common factor is the probability of my hypermobility actually being EDS. Aargh!

I am worried about ds2 though. He is already having far more problems than I did at his age and I'm concerned at what this means for him long term, especially when I consider the state of my own health. Sad

I am now thinking that if the brain lesions are down to EDS (not that I can get anyone to give me a straight answer on that) and I have autonomic dysfunction (def sympathetic nerves but also had suspicions of POTs for a long time as well) and a problem with the venous aspects of my lower body, what else could be affected that I don't know about and is this enough of a concern for me to go to the GP and push hard for further assessment/dx.

To be honest I don't feel up to the fight at the moment and if it was just me I wouldn't bother, but if there are likely to be more serious health issues for ds2 I can't just let it lie.

Sorry, that all ended up as a much longer train of thought ramble than I intended when I started typing, but I am going to post it anyway as it's helping me to gather my thoughts.

TheHumancatapult · 19/10/2012 17:48

Hi

Yes all ok just busy and arghh ds3 has chicken poxs so no school for him and no computer for me as hd is hogging it

Waiting till got letter then will get but more demanding with school

Moose sadly it's only when got the dx Di things happen and proff G joined lots of fits up and put in way all other nhs proddediobaka understood

As lol they could not understand Proffesor Pope ( I could £ but they could not

auntevil · 21/10/2012 10:33

The wretched pox - never comes at a convenient time. Why couldn't they all get it when you're snowed in and really don't feel like going out Grin Hope the itching isn't too bad though!
Moose - hope you're feeling a little less blue. I so get where you're coming from. I feel like you re what my DS are likely to 'get' when they are older. The whole NHS seems so reactive rather than pre-emptive it drives you insane.
I found my birth mother just over a year ago, and previously had no medical history whatsoever. Now I have shed loads - and it's not all good! You would think that now I have this information you could go back and say, we now have a pattern emerging, 3 previous generations of information, what are you going to do about it. But no, they're not interested (apart from a geneticist - but she needs authorisation from paed). All I know is that you keep fighting because we want better for our children than what we have had Sad
On a positive note, DS had a brilliant school trip and managed to do all the activities. Sad that they didn't really get a grip with his dietary needs - no desserts, no spread for his toast etc - but he loved the whole 'free from parent' malarkey!

deepbreath · 24/10/2012 16:34

Just popped in to try to catch up with you all whilst I have a laptop (MN doesn't work properly on my phone). Looks like you've all had a lot going on. Going to try to keep up with things a bit better now. Fingers crossed that you're all as well as you possibly can be Smile

SparkleRainbow · 24/10/2012 16:41

Hi all, can't believe we were relegated to the third page! Sorted now! Grin
Hope everyone is ok, sorry to have been awol for so long. I have been helping out at my dc school, and having a lovely time. We had Ofsted, and got Good with outstanding features, a real achievement with the new Ofsted framework, also feel totally vindicated for moving my dc. Am applying for a maternity cover teaching post at the school, handed in application form today, but bit of a long shot as quite expensive to employ and been out of it for so long.

Just pottering on here really, ds is still having the neck, shoulder and foot pains on a regular basis. Parents evening was good last night though, and he seems to be doing well in lessons.

Moose I think that ds has a milder version of what you have, it affects his toes mainly, although some spread to feet, takes at least two weeks of rest to clear a bad bout.....no-body knows anything though, they all just look blank really and say it is "vascular". Did wonder if he had chronic pain syndrome associated with it as well, but from your description it sounds like it is all part of the same dx of CRPS (Grin just missing and "a" in that acronym and then it would be perfect description of what ds thinks about it)

IShallWearMidnight · 24/10/2012 17:29

hello all, lots of same old same old here - DD is fainting on average once a day, but hasn't been sent home this half term (I don't think so anyway, it's been such a long half term Smile). She's been referred to physio and podiatry - we saw the podiatrist yesterday (four weeks from referral to appointment Shock), but he's reluctant to give her inserts for her shoes, as he thinks the issues are from her hip and ankle, so wants to wait and see what the physio says. But paed physio is via a different organisation to him, so their waiting lists run differently, and we have no idea when that appointment might be.

DD is quite happy though, as he was very thorough, and explained why he wanted to wait. So he doesn't go on her "rubbish doctors" list.

Speaking of rubbish doctors, Rubbish Paed has a DS in DDs year. Another girl n the year saw him, and allegedly Rubbish Paed said to her "DS is in your year. Do you think he's fit?". Girl was like this Shock and didn't reply, but OMG how unprofessional! Not sure what her mother made of it either.

I'm being very brave and letting DD go away for the weekend to stay with DD1 at uni - I'm taking her half way on the train, then putting her onto the second train, and DD1 will meet her on the platform at the other end. Then she'll come halfway with her on the way back, and put her on the second train. Fingers crossed she'll be OK - at least on the train she gets to school, the conductors and station staff all know her and know not to panic and call ambulances finally. DDs housemates have all been warned not to stress if they find her lying on the floor - just step over and carry on Grin. I'll need a medicinal Wine once she's back home in one piece I think.

auntevil · 30/10/2012 14:49

Hello everyone - hope the cold weather isn't making joints feel creaky and cranky (Mine might just be age though! Grin )
midnight - surprised that they were reluctant to give shoe inserts. DS was given some by physio. They are still unsure as to why he tiptoe walks. It could be sensory and dyspraxia, it could be hypermobility, but either way, they thought that he might benefit from inserts.
We have a list of rubbish Drs too. Maybe we should start a MN Sn version like Dr Foster website!
Hope your DD's weekender went well, and that your Wine was celebratory rather than medicinal Smile
Had a disappointing result from OT re DS3. They did not allow my parental referral as " he is not already in the system and therefore needs a GP referral"
Was very tempted to ask which "system" they were looking at because he has seen SALT, paed, ENT, dietician, gastro and GOSH. So I'm off to the GP next week to get the referral form that I did signed by the GP. I too am waiting for a certain GP so that I don't get a numpty and get one that can actually make decisions there, rather than have to confer with NICE and PCT guidelines [really isn't an emoticon that truly shows my feelings toward those 2 organisations]

elliejjtiny · 03/11/2012 17:38

auntevil IME every proffessional has their own "system" and also there is some kind of central computer that randomly deletes peoples details from "systems" for fun, grr.

DS2 is much the same, still hating school a lot of the time. The class TA is really good with him and distracts him while I make a swift exit but the last day before 1/2 term she wasn't there and I asked the teacher discreetly to ring me if he didn't settle and I would pick him up. She didn't ring me and when I picked him up after lunch she said he had screamed constantly for 30 mins and then cried on and off all morning. I was Not Happy. I don't want to give in to him and take him home as soon as he kicks off but I don't want him to feel abandoned either.

He has got some ear defenders to help him cope with the noise in the classroom but he's not willing to take them off to listen to the teacher (apparantly the teacher who thinks its fine for a 4 year old to scream for 30 mins thinks isn't willing to confiscate the 4 year olds headphones when it's listening time). Back to school on monday. Let's hope things have improved after a week of not doing much.

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SparkleRainbow · 04/11/2012 06:59

Ellie - it all sounds very strange....what on earth is going on in that class?

elliejjtiny · 05/11/2012 18:08

Goodness knows what's going on there. Whenever I go in there is at least one child screaming. The class photo was in the local paper last week. Several children weren't in it because they'd refused and DS2 had a big scowl on his face. Several children have special needs (at least 4), 2 have behaviour issues. I used to work in early years and I've never seen a group of children quite so horrible challenging.

Good news is that DS2 only screamed while I was dropping him off this morning and came out singing a song about fireworks. Still only doing 3 mornings a week but this week we are trying monday, wednesday, thursday so he is doing 2 mornings in a row. Parents evening tomorrow and then his review meeting next monday.

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auntevil · 05/11/2012 18:39

ellie - also in EYFS and tbh, there are similar numbers in each of our classes. It seems to be the norm for the LEA to 'try' all at MS first before tribunal etc gets the child the place they truly need!
Update on DS3 - GP has agreed to do referral for geneticist - and signed my referral that I wrote without even reading it!. I did ask - actually suggested - that he read it, but he said "No, you know your DS best" I could have fallen off my chair!
Still onwards and upwards. Shows how picking the right GP at our surgery pays dividends!