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Improving diet- please can I have your top tips for fruit and veg refuser

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shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/05/2012 07:49

The only fruit and veg ds currently has in his diet is as follows: innocent smoothie, innocent fruit purée tubes, fruit juice, vegetables hidden in pasta sauce and the occasional half a banana ( this requires bribery in the form of a turn on daddy's iPad).
The problem is a texture one I think. He has gagged on slimy textures since weaning and is now totally resistant to even trying veg or fruit. But we need to improve his diet to help his behaviour (aspergers) so are determined to get some more into him somehow.

What worked for you?

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Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 08:29

Checking in for advice too ......

claw4 · 19/05/2012 08:36

Marking my spot too. Ds's diet is extremely limited. Same thing for breakfast, lunch and dinner for the last 8 years.

TheLightPassenger · 19/05/2012 08:53

not exactly healthy or unprocessed, but what about encouraging ketchup and carrot cake? or mixing avocado in with greek yoghurt and a bit of sugar.

shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/05/2012 09:34

Think we need to reduce ketchup as he plasters it on virtually anything. Will eat veg hidden in cake such as beetroot brownies but not if the veg can be detected like in carrot cake. Think we need to move past hiding stuff onto actually eating a few bits but everything I have tried meets blank refusal. Smuggled roast parsnip in with roast potatoes but he took one bite, realised the difference, spat it out and was furious with me.

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EllenJaneisnotmyname · 19/05/2012 09:53

Chocolate coated strawberries or grapes? Melt your own chocolate, dip and fridge until set? Could try apple cubes, pineapple, anything really if he likes chocolate. Gradually reduce the amount of chocolate so he's tasting the fruit.

claw4 · 19/05/2012 10:01

I think thats the thing shopping, if you hide and are discovered, the trust will disappear and it could make agreeing to eat anything else harder.

Things i have been told to try (havent worked for us, but might for you)

Take tiny steps

  1. Agree to have it on the table (look at it)
  2. Agree to have it on the plate
  3. Agree to touch it
  4. Agree to put it on lips
  5. Agree to lick it
  6. Agree to taste a tiny bit (and can spit out if he wants to)

Also if he doesnt like 'slimy' you might have more luck with raw veg, but tiny steps as above.

You could also let him help you prepare the food, if he will agree, which is pretty much the same as 1, 2 and 3 above.

Take him shopping for an item of veg and let him choose one.

You could also try a 'menu' where your ds agrees to try a new thing, so you give him a choice of say 2 different veg and he chooses one, along with the things he likes, let him help to prepare the menu.

Example
fish finger or chicken nuggets (choice of two thing he likes)
chips or mash (choice of two things he likes)
carrot or swede (choice of two that he doesnt)

The idea being, that children who are resistant to trying new things, like to have control. So you letting them control, but you are controlling the options.

I also have a book 'just take a bite' i can have a look for some ideas in there for you.

Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 10:11

How old is he Shopping

silverfrog · 19/05/2012 10:17

for total hidden (and I understand the issues wrt trust if discovered - dd1 used to be a master at (literally) sniffing out hidden ingedints, or a change of brand for something like jam etc) veg there is a recipe on the vegan society site, I think, which is chocolate mousse made with avocado. will try to look it up - I have made it before, and it was yummy.

if things like yoghurt are accepted, then I used to give dd1 a mixture of greek yoghurt, mashed up avocado and mashed up banana. I sometimes added eg mango puree or another fruit she ws liking at that time too. add in a bit of ground almonds, and it is a fantastic all-round nutrient combo. it used ot be my staple going out for lunch filler, as was so easy to carry and keep (or buy on the hop, as long as a supermarket was in reach!)

TheLightPassenger · 19/05/2012 10:48

yy re hiding and trust issues, I don't try and hide either, as my child is so good at detecting. I did try sneaking a roast parsnip in years ago too, but that did NOT turn out well!

I agree with Claw, about v small steps indeed.

extremepie · 19/05/2012 11:06

I made a recipe for banana cake that has no sugar or butter but lots of bananas so I suppose nutrient-wise its better than regular cake!

DS2 has issues with pretty much any fruit or veg (except potatoes) and it is a real struggle trying to get him to eat it unless I hide it, he is only 4 though so I can just about get away with it at the moment!

He does really like humous though, which is quite nutritious, would your DS try that?

claw4 · 19/05/2012 11:10

Well i lie when i say it hasnt worked for us, it has to a degree, if he will agree to touch it, he will then taste a tiny piece and spit it out. So for ds it appears to be the touch that is important. If he will touch it, he will try it and we have had some success, but its done more to please me, there you go i tried it, didnt like it, now leave me alone. It has never progressed to him actually eating the thing he has tried.

Seems any success that we have had ie him actually eating it, has been purely ds's decision and nothing to do with me.

For example he literally just woke up one morning and stated he wanted to try chicken nuggets, he had previously ate them twice about 5 years ago. He ate them for about 3 months every dinner time, then refused to eat them again.

I have more success if the texture, colour etc is similar to the things he already eats. He likes crunchy, no mixed textures, brown/biege food or sweet or salty.

So if you can find your ds's preference and go along similar lines for the new food you might have more success.

Ds's diet is pretty extreme by anyone standards

Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 11:43

Extreme

Can you post the recipe please? :)

Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 11:47

Claw You DS's eating sounds like mine.

shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/05/2012 12:05

Sorry for slow reply. Was posting during dd swimming lesson til life guard told me phones are banned pool side. Grr. Ds sounds exactly like yours claw. Will try anything to please me or dh but literally chews once, spits it out and won't try any more. He loves hummus and likes banana cake (would love that recipe too please). Is happy to prepare food unless it is messy or sticky, although can cope if I have a damp flannel handy.
Today dd and I have cut up strawberries and melon which he has eaten occasionally over the past few years and cherries for pudding after lunch today, am going to see if he will try some.
He is 6 btw and has been a pita with food since weaning. We did baby led weaning with dd who is an amazing eater but then she is NT so may have been a great eater anyway.

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shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/05/2012 12:07

Will try Greek yogurt with the innocent fruit tube and ground almonds, think that would be fine. Haven't thought about ground almonds but they are really healthy aren't they?

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extremepie · 19/05/2012 12:18

Almonds are apparently one of the best nuts in terms of nutrients :)

Will post the banana cake recipe as soon as DS & I get back (we're going out for the day!) - have to dig out the best version I have!

Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 12:20

I've even failed with Innocent Fruit Tubes...

shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/05/2012 12:23

Oh dear Ben 10. Ds smacks his lips and thinks they are a treat. Only the red ones though, won't even try the orange ones. Have you tried freezing them? We have them instead of ice pops.

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claw4 · 19/05/2012 12:23

Ben ds will eat

breakfast - dry cereal (no milk) cereal has to be brown or biege and sweet. So i can expand from choco hoops to honey hoops for example. We have more success with sweet food.

lunch - dry roll (no butter and no spreads and nothing inside it) salt and vinegar crisps, and mini pack choc chip cookies. Again i can expand on the choc chip cookies, but not the bread or crisps (this is his packed lunch, so he doesnt actually eat it, he wont eat in school. He sometimes eats the sweet thing)

Dinner - 1 fish finger, 3 star shaped potato shapes.(fish fingers are currently in favour, but can disappear at any minute, they may return 6 months later or 6 years later, like chicken nuggets did or never again)

Snacks inbetween, dry bread, crisps and ice cream and will eat certain other sweet food, such as biscuits.

He eats the same thing, day in and day out. Has done since he was weaned, with the odd one or two foods going in and out of favour ie chicken nuggets and fish fingers and sausage rolls were in favour about 5 years ago too, they havent returned.

CAMHS have said he restricts his diet as a defence against feeling overwhelmed, he feels so out of control, that food is the only thing he can control.

OT has said its a sensory thing, he is orally defensive, which ties in with what CAMHS have said really. He also has sensory processing disorder, so cannot regulate his response to food. So the message being sent to his brain, is constantly changing, so he experiences food differently everythime he eats. Which obviously must be very confusing.

I am convinced that if his other difficulties where dealt with his feeding and general anxiety would improve.

claw4 · 19/05/2012 12:29

Will also add he will not use a knife or fork, so has to be finger food.

Again like i said, touch is very important to ds. I suspect that if you are unsure of how the food is going to taste or feel on this day (as it can change from day to day, week to week etc), because your sensory regulating is having a very bad day, i feel touch is his 'safeguard' and maybe gives him a clue to how it will feel in his mouth, before he puts it in.

Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 12:29

Wow he really is restrictive Claw. DS will at least eat ham butter or salad cream in his sandwich. Is he very little? It seems such a small amount of ood that he eats. Must be very very draining for you.

claw4 · 19/05/2012 12:37

He is 8, average size, average weight. Although he was born on 91st centile for height and weight, so hasnt continued on his centiles, but he is not under weight etc. Probably due to what he eats, lots of carbs and sugar, is managing to keep his weight up. He is anaemic. Has had 5 teeth removed due to his poor diet, by the time he was 6.

He has been seen by every specialists under the sun over the years and we have been told you just have to accept it.

So although nothing has worked for us, some of the ideas that i have been given, might work for someone else.

Ben10NeverAgain · 19/05/2012 12:45

That's good that he is still healthy even though he restrits everything Claw. THank you for your input on this thread. It has been really helpful for me.

claw4 · 19/05/2012 12:46

Sorry Shopping for rambling on, on your thread!

Do you think its a sensory thing for your ds?

shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/05/2012 12:54

Not rambling, it's really interesting g to hear from other parents. Ds definitely has sensory issues but they are reducing the older he gets so for example I used to cut all labels from clothes, now I only do it of he is having an 'oversensitive' day and asks me to cut one out. He found loud noises or even the wind difficult but very rarely comments on noise (except when it suits him. Boring assemblies at school are too noisy apparently and school let him opt out).
We are lucky food wise in that he eats all fish (salmon, sea bass etc) and all roast meat so family meals aren't too tricky. He won't eat anything wet so gravy is served in a puddle like ketchup or anything missed in together. Meatballs on the side not in the pasta sauce .

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