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Differences between Son-Rise and ABA/VB

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LapOfTheGods · 11/04/2012 19:45

Does anyone have any experiences of both? What are the major differences?

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StarlightMcEggsie · 11/04/2012 20:34

Well IMO both are better than the majority of state offerings.

Son-rise is about intensive time with a child, getting into their world and building a relationship, then using that relationship to try to entice the child into the social world. The therapist uses their intuition and the individual relationship with the child to achieve this.

StarlightMcEggsie · 11/04/2012 20:35

There is no peer reviewed research to support the effectiveness of son-rise though.

post · 11/04/2012 20:44

We did sonrise, and it was amazing for us and for ds. I don't know anything like as much about aba, but I can tell you why we chose son-rise instead.
Son-rise is fundamentally about establishing a bond with the child, then using that bond to motivate them to want to have social interaction, which includes verbal communication, but in a very'real' way. You establish that bond largely by whats called 'joining' them in their 'ism' , or stims, rather than judging or discouraging it. My understanding is that aba works more on a 'reward' basis, so the child does what you want, you give a 'reward' like a chocolate button or something.
There's a very detailed developmental model, so you work very, very explicitly on specific areas you want to encourage, whether that be language, flexibility etc.
son rise is also very much parent led, with volunteers, paid or unpaid, whereas I think with aba you hire professionals to work with your child.

I wonder of aba suits families who work more in that sort of way, more reward/ sticker chart kind of thing? We're not like that with our other dcs, so I dont think we'd really be likely to resonate or be able to sustain it. I think that's rEALLY important. You need to find what suits you, and ultimately they're both things that take a lot of commitment, we all want to do the best for our children.

The autism treatment centre of America, who teach son rise have loads of stuuff on their website, some specifically addressing the diffs. Here's one link.

www.autismtreatmentcenter.org/contents/other_sections/aba-vs-son-rise-program.php

Ds has gone from no language, very exclusive, to a madly chatty, funny boy who's intensely interested in 'what makes people tick'. Of course none of us know what would have been, but I really believe that he wouldnt be like this without the programme we ran. It was also one of the most joyous, lovely things I've ever done.
I hope that's of some help, I'm sure there'll be other people with much better knowledge of aba.

LapOfTheGods · 11/04/2012 20:45

Thanks, I was wondering if there was any scientific evidence behind son-rise. Although, I can see they both set out to achieve the same, the methodologies are quite different in terms of expectations.

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LapOfTheGods · 11/04/2012 20:46

I have no doubt they both work for individual children... Guess it depends on the child and the areas they need support in.

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post · 11/04/2012 20:48

Oh, i think Lancaster university have just published some supportive work on son rise, very recently.

LapOfTheGods · 11/04/2012 20:59

Does it depend on whether the child has autism or is just delayed?

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StarlightMcEggsie · 11/04/2012 21:06

ABA is a methodology rather than a specific programme. It is used in education, business, marketing, parenting etc.

There are lots of developed curriculums based on typical child development and most aim to take the child through each of the stages as a typically developing child woukd pass through them but it starts with a very comprehensive assessment of the child's development as a baseline.

The 'programme' is tailored to the family's requirements and us delivered by either the parents, volunteers or paid tutors. Some programmes are ad hoc. And some are 40 hours a week. More Usually they are around 15-20hours a week.

oodlesofdoodles · 11/04/2012 21:22

I asked this same question a while back and post, you kindly answered me then.

Recently, I've been thinking a lot about joint attention, the whole triangle thing. How would son rise teach that?
Indeed, starlight, how should aba teach that?
Atm, when ds brings things verbally to my attention I try to remember to wait .... for him to look at me. But its not really coming naturally.

post · 12/04/2012 11:09

That's not something, with that specific terminology, that I'm really familiar with, oodles, You mean, if he talks about something you really want him to make eye contact, rather than just verbally communicating it? So that you know he's really 'with' you?
Eye contact is a really big deal in son rise, for just that reason, so it's something that is 'celebrated'; like 'yay! I LOVE it when you look at me!', or just doing whatever is motivating for that child, like blowing bubbles or a tickle, whenever you get it, whatever works, in the playroom.
Not sure if that's what you mean?

Absolutely agree, they're both going to be much better than anything that's not intensive, focussed and personalised. And I think the techniques are going to be beneficial to ANY child, actually.

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