I am speechless at this link I just saw on facebook :-(

[chorltonandthewheelies]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108433/Doctors-right-kill-unwanted-disabled-babies-birth-real-person-claims-Oxford-academic.html

I dont even have the words to say how sick this makes me feel. Sadly I have in real life met someone who held these views and felt it was their duty to tell me how much my son costs the government to keep him alive

I am actually speechless at this why was this allowed to even be printed

Surely she is just saying this to shock? Take out any religious issues, and it still comes down to murder. So if her husband/partner was injured in an accident and needed expensive nursing care/equipment for life, would she kill them? Comes down to the same thing really.

I can sort of see a twisted logic, in that there are some late abortions performed, but the only person I know who went through that awful scenario did it because the baby would not even have survived to full term (not entirely sure what the problems were, but she was basically told that the baby was already struggling, heart was failing, so she could wait a couple of weeks for a natural stillbirth or have a late termination - she was about 6 months)

have just read it and totally agree with you. that has made me feel angry and sick to think that someone holds these views. my son is disabled and to think that someone has the idea he has no right to life just cos hes disabled!!!! (angry)

She's outed herself as a true psychopath.

Now society can be protected.

How can someone say such a thing!!!

A baby is precious regardless of wether it is disabled or not. How in the hell can it be a "real person" it has a heart, brain, and is a living being loved in the womb for 9 months!

She is getting death threats...................real shame. Kinder to put her to sleep after all she isnt a real person as she has no heart...............

That has really upset me for the day :(

My view of most eugenicists is that they are more than welcome to volunteer to go first. She should do the convenient, efficient thing and top herself to save anyone else the trouble.

no ignorance thanks

And she is not a poor woman to me

Her ethics.........the suggestion and possibility of legally KILLING a baby.

Why in the hell would you seriously want to discuss such a thing!!!!! I am sorry but you cannot right such ethics down without choking if you had any compassion for life.

there is a thread about this in the news topic(yeah I know!) mn hq have allowed it to stand even though it is vile

The holocaust arose out of what started as innocent American "academc ethical debates" such as this. The academic arguments for this topic were thrashed out many years ago and consigned to a rather shameful period of medical history.

History repeats itself and you need to look at the socio-economic climate into which she is presenting this argument.

The importance of personal responsibility has always been a hotly debated topic among the scientific and military communities.

Or so many of us would hope.

Who is staggeringly ignorant? Those who would ring the alarm bells before this "ethical academic debate" grows into something so ugly it shames humanity itself?

As the mother of a severely disabled daughter, I wish I hadn't clicked on that link. I am livid. What right have doctors got to make this decision? I would have hated to have been asked if I wanted to 'kill' my daughter when she was born. Yes life has been tougher and different to what we had expected - but so what - life throws all sorts of crap at all sorts of people, and most of them just get on with it the best way that they can. The idea that we should kill a baby just because it may inconvenience our life plans is appalling. Where will they draw the line? What about those whose disabilities don't become apparent until they are older? Will they be next for the 'chop'?
My DD hasn't had many 'personal' achievements, but she has done more to educate the people around her about disability by just being here than any Disability Discrimination Act ever could.
And as for the 'cost'. There are many non-disabled people in this country who cost the state a lot more than my daughter does - the prisons are full of them!!!!

Yes mynameisn't but the result of the debate on abortion is that people now have the choice to legally abort. Not everyone agrees with abortion, but it still happens.
So if we open up a debate on 'killing' disabled babies at birth, then there will be people in favour of it, so what's to say it won't happen?

I had the misfortune to listen to another medical ethicist from Oxford recently. Despite being an 'eminent' professor, routinely asked to advise the govt and feted by the media he is full of shit. I think they say outrageous things to provoke and say look at me aren't I clever and controversial. Can't see how abortion after birth would be ethically any different from murder.

I am often speechless at what I see on Facebook. On a Treacher Collins Syndrome page, someone had uploaded pictures of their DS with a rifle and a dead deer that he had shot. He has TCS, and where they live in the US this is perfectly normal practice to take photos of your kill, but not to the world at large. If i don't like the headline, i don't open the paper. The bloody Daily Mail is so far right they might as well be card carrying members of the BNP and EDL.