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post 16... anyone fought for a specialist placement?

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MedusaIsHavingABadHairDay · 25/01/2012 23:23

DS2 is rising 15..yr 10. Special school with some integration into a mainstream 'unit' He has moderate learning diffs and ASD. No behaviour problems, he is gentle and anxious, desperate to please. His teachers love him.

However the post 16 stuff is looking.. our special school (I work there too) only goes to 16 and most pupils go to the 'steps' programme at the local college. Frankly it's shit. For the least able pupils it is kind, sensory based and probably fun, but DS2 has the potential to be semi independent as an adult and we are already doing the independence training he needs.. teaching him to use money and a cash point, teaching him to use a bus with his pass etc.

I would like him to go to a specialist college in the next county, which caters for young adults with Aspergers/asd and some LDS. They continue academic learning and combine it with living skills.. which is what he needs most. It has weekly boarding options. While I would hate him to be away from me, I honestly believe it would be a fantastic way for him to learn independence, as my biggest fear is him being stuck home with ageing parents.

But I KNOW the LEA will say no..'we can meet his needs here' Needs yes.. potential NO.

I have no idea where to start to get the fighting ball rolling!
Any suggestions welcomed!

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WetAugust · 26/01/2012 00:08

I've been through this.

You should have a multi-agency transition planning meeting in Year 9 to draw up a Transition Plan for your son's transition to post-16 education and into adulthood (to age 25).

The repsonsibility for calling this meeting falls to the Head Teacher and she should invite evryone who is involved with your son i.e. you, school, medical professionals, social services if appropraite, Connexions (if they still operate in your area) and the Ed Pysch.

Together you are supposed to identify what support your son needs (not just educationally) post-16 and how that support will be delivered i.e. educational placement, etc. The decisions hould be recorded in the Transition Plan and actions then start being taken to implemnet the Plan.

The LAand Connexions should find him a suitable post-16 placement. That usually means that school will attempt to wash their hands of him as they'll claim that they only have responsibility for children while still in statutory education i.e. their responsibility ends at 16. That's not true.

If a suitable school can be found (almost certainly by you) then you can ask the LA to amend the Statement to show that school - they will almost certainly refuse as it will almost certainly be an independant placemnet that will cost them a fortune. So you'll probably end up at SENDIST when the LA try to cease the Statement because your child is now 16.

So the LA will try to pass the problem to Connexions, who will be looking for local FE place (as you already know).

To get special residential placemnet in FE College you have to prove that there is no local FE College that could provide your child with the level of support he requires. You also have to prove that he needs 24/7 care - i.e. that he also has social needs. That can be because of social isolation becsue he has ASD or needs continous placemnet to be actively taulght social and communication skills in a 24 hour setting and also needs to gain indepence skills he could not obtain at home.

Connexions can assist in making that case. You'll need lots of evidence and reports etc. Make sure you get a Connexions Specialist Advisor as most Connexions PAs have no SN training and don't know how to obtain a placemnet - or even that such a thing exists!

You're probably looking for something like Farleigh FE College, Frome. They board there and come home alternate weekends. Fraleigh staff take them to local FE Colleges each day and provide 1:1 support within the local FE College if necessary. Young people at Farleigh can stude academic or vocational courses, have social skills training, independence training, art therapy etc etc etc.

But it's very very expensive so you'll have a fight to obtain this.

Best thing is to do your own research for suitable placemnets. Don't but the LA's lie that there is no money etc etec. Ignore that rubbish.

Many of the possible schools / FE Specialist Colleges will have Open Days at this time of year. If you ring them they send you and invitation.

You can contact the schools / college directly (I did). They also know how to secure funding and can help you kae that application.

Best wishes

insanityscratching · 26/01/2012 07:03

Yes ds now attends independent specialist school out of county. The fight nearly finished me off but it is worth every second to see how much difference it's made to him. Being a school rather than a college the LA fund the placement and that's the reason behind the protracted battle which isn't quite over yet as they try to throw out my appeal against parts two and three.
My advice would be to start gathering evidence early as to what he needs and why your chosen placement is the only placement able to provide this.Be prepared to fight hard but it's not impossible it just feels like that sometimes

davidsotherhalf · 26/01/2012 08:23

make appointment with his connexions worker (changed name) not sure what they are called now. they will help you with all the different options,and they can start getting evidence for you. they will write to everyone involved and gather all the reports to back up your ds needs

bigbluebus · 26/01/2012 09:10

I would second everything that wetaugust has said. My nephew has Downs Syndrome and coped at mainstream school with 1-1 until 16. His parents did not feel the local FE college could meet his needs for the same reasons you state - ie independence skills, social life etc.
They looked at out-of-county residential colleges and found one they liked about 3 hrs from home. They had a very supportive Connexions advisor who agreed that the college identified was the best option for DN. My BIL & SIL got the college to assess DN and confirm they could meet his needs - this pissed the LA off big style - told them they had no right to get an assessment carried out!!!!
They had to go through 3 panels to get funding agreed (apparently that is the entire panel system) but got funding agreed in the end. The down side of the process is that in applying for this place, they had to prove that the local colleges could not meets the needs of DN - which meant that if they hadn't got the funding for the residential college approved, there was no Plan B.
I will add that DN is doing fantastically. It took 1/2 a term for him to settle - and a bit longer for his parents!!! - but it was definitely the right thing for him - and with luck, when he finishes his 3 yr placement he will move straight into some sort of independent/supported living rather than back home.
Good luck with your fight.

MedusaIsHavingABadHairDay · 26/01/2012 15:38

Thank you thank you! Wetaugust especially! That's just the sort of info I need!!

I have no idea how well I can fight but shall start the ball rolling with connexions (came to his yr 9 review but basically flagged up the local college) and also contact the place we want and see what they offer etc:)

The fight begins.....!

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davidsotherhalf · 26/01/2012 16:09

you need to start the ball rolling straight away, it took over a year to get my dd paperwork together and apply for funding,she started her residential college place last september.

WetAugust · 26/01/2012 17:47

Davidsotherhalf is right. You need to identify a placemnet very soon. They fill up fast and paperwork takes a lomg time.

WetAugust · 26/01/2012 17:55

My plan of action would be:

Contact Learning Support at local FE Colleges to see what courses are available and what support they could offer him during the day - that will permit you to decide whether local FE college could support him educationally and socially and also give you hard evidence that you need to prove they couldn't.

Contact Connexions and ask to speak to Special Education Personal Assistant - importnat that it is an SN PA and not run of the mill version

Identify suitable placements yourself - find out their entry criteria and ask to be invited to next Open Day. Ask if they are LA or Connexions funded and ask how the suggest you go about getting funding.

Start colecting any reports you may already have. If he hasn't been seen by an Ed Pysch and a reprtt done then insist on one. You need that report before their 16th birthday as it can be used to get him extra time in exams etc in FE and also used to secure Disabled Students Allowance if he then goes on to HE.

Once you have all reports and have identified the school / college you want then ask Connexions to help you make the case for funding.

Do not be put off when they tell you there is no money / his needs are not severe enough and all the other lame excuses they will trot out.

If you want him to start there in Sep 13 you need to start now.

MedusaIsHavingABadHairDay · 26/01/2012 18:54

Ugh! But thank you again.. I shall contact connexions asap and the place I am interested in and see if I can tee up a visit asap.

He hasn't seen an Ed psych since he was about 7 I don't think, so will have to find out how to get a report done. I assume it will have to be the LEA Ed Psych (who if it's the same one was a chocolate teapot of a woman) in order for the report to hold water? Educationally he is in an odd place. He attends an SLD school, but goes for about half his lessons to the 'unit' in the mainstream school (same grounds). Academically he is probably about age 9 except in maths where he is attending a mainstream class and they may attempt a low tier GCSE or functional maths exam depending on how he copes this year. I suspect he won't get an exam pass but you never know! He can read (well) and write..(but like a 7 yr old) and has an amazing memory ..however it mostly functions for his obsessions only. He has (IMO) the potential to be nearly independent.. shared housing or similar but for him to get there he needs a placement that will help him achieve this more than we can do alone.

I can see the 'he's not severe enough' being trotted out immediately.. because in my LEA we have hell of a fight to get specialist placements for those with severely challenging behaviour, and DS2 would be well behaved (and anxious, and bewildered probably) most places.

Ho hum. My panties are now bunched and ready for the fray!

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WetAugust · 26/01/2012 20:00

Ed Pysch report is only really necesary if HE is likely to be an option and Disabled Student's Allowance will be required. Report can be LA or private. I've used both types.
An Ed Pysch report is not necessary in FE unless you want to get extra time in exams but teachers can also apply to exam board for extra time for their pupils.

Yes - you'll probably get told his needs are not severe enough.

Counter arguments:

He needs to be proactively taught independence skills in a 24/7 socio-educational placement that provides him with a wide variety of opportunities for doing so. Without that he is unlikely to be ever to lead a fully independant life in adulthood.

He needs to be proactively taught social and communications skills in a resdiential socaio-educational placement that will provide him safe opportunities to interact with his peers. Without this he will become socially isolated.

He needs a specialist placemnet where those with knowledge and experience of his condition can assist him in becoming more self awareness and understanding how his condition affects him and adapting his behaviour accordingly. Local FE college has no such expertise.

He needs opportunities to study academic subjects as he has ability to do so and and also learn vocational subjects. This is something a residential placemnegt can give him as part of a tailored course. An FE College can only provide a more restricted cirriculum that doesn't suit his needs.

He needs help getting to and from college each day and support when he is out of the lecture room to find his way around an unfalimiar area. He may need support in the lectures. This is a level of support that local FE college is unable to provcide. Residential college can provide this level of support.

And so on...

Try to reference 'need' back to any reports you may have (or could get from someone who is on-side).

Happy to help you compile a case.

dietstartstmoz · 26/01/2012 22:21

Hi Medusa,
I work in this sort of area,. Connexions should still be going for SEN in most areas. Contact them and find out who is responsible for your child and contact them. In the LA where I work, the parents and connexions work together to identify suitable provision and in the end its the parents who decide and usually this is done in conjunction with connexions. Connexions have to present a 'case' to a panel at the LA as to why this young person should go to specialist college and the connexions adviser will compile a file on the young person (all reports, IEP, Medical, Statement etc) and a local college have to do an assessment and say they cannot meet that youngs persons needs, because....and its quite a detailed breakdown. You will need a strong case why local FE is not suitable to get a refusal from them.

MedusaIsHavingABadHairDay · 26/01/2012 22:56

Wetaugust..again, thank you! I have just copied your post for reference, and when I get going on this I may have to come and beg for assistance:)

Dietstartstmoz..thanks also.... I now have to hunt out last years AR and find his connexions person:):)

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