Garbled vocal outbursts

[Triggles]

DS2 is 5yo and dx'd with ADHD, ASD (HF), DCD, sensory problems, and hypermobility. We've witnessed loads of odd behaviour from him, but lately it seems that when he is getting frustrated, we're seeing a lot of very loud bursts of garbled vocal noises - generally not words - or if they are words he is saying them so quickly that we cannot understand them. It's been occurring more frequently during this school year roughly, and mostly when he is frustrated, excited, overly happy, sad... mostly extreme emotions. I haven't noticed this occurring just when he is not "all over the place" .. perhaps because he IS always all over the place - physically and emotionally.

Anyone else's children do this? It's a bit baffling, tbh.

Might just be a stress relieving stim, Triggles. If it becomes annoying or antisocial you probably want to discourage it. (I know, easier said than done!) I've never had much luck getting DS2 to stop his stims, bad mother I am. They looked cute when he was 4.

DD does something very similar, shouts out a made up word seemingly randomly. She does it in the car to break silences...she has no dx as yet

It is impossible to stop. It's like he HAS to get it out. He's always done it off and on, it's just getting more frequent now. So far, discouraging it and/or attempting to halt it in any way has not been successful. It already is annoying and antisocial.

But yes, I see what you mean, possibly a stress relieving stim. sigh.. I'll keep an eye on it.

Silences... what are those?

Oh Tiggles my DD who is 5 with ADHD does that too usually to stop me from giving an instruction she doesn't want to hear or do she will shout some gobbledegook (not sure how you really spell that sounds like a made up word ) I have just been looking at her puzzled and then say something like "that does not make any sense DD". Hopefully once her vocab increases so will her ability to express herself and she will be shouting "No Mummy I will not follow your instructions or do anything you ask I am too busy watching Toy Story for the 700th time"

Sorry TRiggles not Tiggles

DS does this on his return from school everyday,he doesnt really do vocal stims at any other time so we put it down to school stress.We find if we just ignore it doesnt last as long as if we try to stop him,but either way it just has to come flowing out .
But im so with you on the annoying thing cos its just not our little fella and its weired to see him stimming like this.

ineed yes, it's weird to see. And I sometimes find it a bit scary, as it's like it takes him over and he cannot stop until it's done.

HCJane it's not necessarily just to avoid hearing us tell him something. Sometimes he will do it when he's just playing up in his room, we can hear it over the monitor, or sitting playing on the laptop, he might get frustrated over something and do it. Or walking to school, no stresses that we can see (although obviously with sensory issues, there are probably quite a few, we just don't know what), and suddenly off he goes again.

Oh, and yes, to Toy Story. It's definitely a huge obsession for him.

I feel your toy story pain too,in fact this week DS is ignoring all our attempts to communicate with him unless we call him Buzz lightyear .That bl@@dy santa fella has alot to answer to for fetching more toy story stuff.

He brought more Toy Story stuff to our house as well. Damn that man!

Sorry, shouldn't post and run. Does it feel like an stim or a tic? I'm not really au fait with tics (or the difference between them and stims,) but the fact that you say he has to get it out makes it sound more like a tic. My DSs physical stims occur when he's excited or happy, so always go with a particular emotional state, they aren't at all random as such.

I don't really know. I'll watch it for a bit and see. It IS mostly when he is highly emotional, but I have seen it occur just out of nowhere as well. But I will keep an eye on it over the next week, maybe jot down what's going on and what state he is in prior, so I can see.

Triggles

silence is that hurried moment between you shutting the car door and you finding that track on the CD player - you know the song, my FAVOURITE one, you DO know mummy, it's my favourite, we sang it going to Grandmas in 2009 it was a Thursday and i had blue socks on

tooearly at least he can try and tell you what CD to put on,for me its a bit more guessing(and im no good at guessing).
KISS = ADELE
MONKEY = bruno mars
SWEET = coldplay and i havnt figured out the others yet so we have lots of meltdowns over music,,[shocked] ooohhhhhh the joys

after talking to DH, he thinks it's more of a tic than a stim, as DS2 blurts it out randomly as well as during emotional stress. I'm not sure either way tbh.

oops, meant to add that I will bring it up with the SALT... I have her email, so I will put together an email to send to her later today

AFAIK, tics can be another ASD symptom, Triggles. It doesn't necessarily mean Tourettes. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge will come along...your SALT for instance?

Lord, I wasn't even thinking Tourettes... I was just worried because it didn't seem to be something he could control and made no sense. I always thought Tourettes was actual words and such (although yes, I know the swearing often depicted isn't actually common in Tourettes).

I'm going to pretend Tourettes wasn't even mentioned ... he's got enough dxs at the moment...

here I spent time today trying to figure out what the actual difference between a tic and a stim would be as far as stopping it...

Ooo, sorry Triggles. Shouldn't have mentioned it. I meant it to be an encouraging, 'it's not likely to be..' sort of thing. Cos it isn't likely.

I think it's pretty hard to stop a tic, easier to stop a stim by replacing it with something else or distraction. But tics can come and go and be stress related. Moosemama's DS has them/has had them.

hahahaa That's okay. I'm tucking it away into the "don't look" box. I get what you mean now in the "not likely to be.." thing.

He has particular behaviours that are obvious stims, but this seems more random, although as I said it crops up in stressful situations as well.

I am going to send an email to the SALT and ask her about it, once I've spoken to his regular TA tomorrow to see how frequently he's doing it in school. It came to my attention as she had mentioned him doing it in school recently.

Hey Triggles my ds is a great one for vocal stims. Sometimes he just gets so excited that words fail him, so I say: use proper words please. Other times when he's stressed he he might sing a favourite song to calm himself down or blurt out 'I'm lightening mcqueen'.
The book Send in the Idiots written by an asc guy is quite interesting on stims. He calls it the need for local coherence.

oodles I have often thought DD sings to herself as stimming - she sings all the time, but her choice of song and words changes. She sings along to music on the radio/cd etc but can also sing a completely different song to one playing nearby.

when she gets excited words tumble out of her like nothing heard, then looses her speech and trips over them..she gets very frustrated.

you reckon this is stimming too?