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Birthday parties, prejudice and proof that our society isn't more accepting of SN.

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makemineaquadruple · 11/12/2011 16:53

Evening all!

I don't want this to be a depressing or disheartening thread, but i've absolutely had enough of the exclusion of SN dc's from parties and general social occasions.

My dd who doesn't have an official diagnosis, but is more than likely somewhere on the autistic spectrum has always struggled to maintain friendships. She's very over the top and dramatic and sometimes finds it hard to separate fantasy and reality- Hence, she'll have a flock of friends for a few weeks or so and then the "novelty" will wear off and they'll back off and move on to someone less quirky. I'm lucky in the sense that my dd isn't in any way severe, but nevertheless, she struggles and I fear the struggling will increase as she gets older. For now though, she does from time to time receive party invites, but no way near the amount of invites as her classmates.

My issue actually isn't so much with how people are treating my dd, but how certain people/parents are treating other children with more severe SN. For example, my dd had her first ever birthday party with friends a few weeks back. She's 5. Most people who were invited came to our delight. There was one boy there who dd is very friendly with(most of the time) and he has down's syndrome and there was also a boy there with severe autism-non verbal. The boy with autism's mother said to me when she left "thank you. This is his first party invite. Nobody would normally invite him, so this means a lot to us". I nearly cried. I just couldn't believe why, in this day and age, would people choose not to invite dc's with SN to their dc's parties. The mother of the boy with down's syndrome also said something very similar when they left. If it were a party where only a select few had been invited, then sobeit. But, i've been to 4 parties now where the whole class is invited apart from these 2 boys!! I know they haven't been invited because i've been told. One mum actually said to me that she felt really guilty not inviting X and Y, but she didn't want any disruptions Shock Whereas I understand the point, all small dc's parties are hectic and at points out of control, so this point overall makes no sense to me.

As a parent, I don't see how you can make the decision to invite the whole class apart from 1 or 2, who may or may not cause a few issues. They're not bloody locked in!! There's always a door which they can escape from if they have to. Most parents of SN's children that i've met are very thoughtful and understanding and will always remove their child if they are becoming difficult of disruptive and at a childs birthday of course, I completely understand that this can't happen........it's a very special time afterall. For goodness sake though, don't exclude them!!!

I just can't understand why this kind of prejudice is still happening. Surely you don't need that much intelligence to know that this kind of exclusion is just wrong. Or am I just incredibly bitter?

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lisad123 · 11/12/2011 17:28

thing is, they are within their rights to choose which friends come to their party. They wouldnt be pressured to invite the "naughty" boy in class and I guess alot, tend to assume SN = Naughty and noisey :(
Personally we dont celebrate birthdays ect so any invite is politely declined, but I think as DD1s issues have become more visual, that her invites have dried up, she hasnt been invited to a party in 3 years.
DD2 has never been invited anywhere, which i think is because some parents are aware that she has a 1-1 at nursery.
I couldnt care less, we hate parties and rather spend time with people we like Grin but can understand why this is upsetting :(

makemineaquadruple · 11/12/2011 17:39

I completely agree that it has to be a choice and children shouldn't be forced into inviting anyone. However, I think if you've made the decision to keep things simple and invite the whole class, as most people do at this age and as we did, then it really highlights the fact that they haven't been invited iyswim and that just can't be right. It my opinion, it's completely humiliating for them. I know it's not the most important issue in the world, but it really upsets me. Why, if you can make someones day a little brighter, wouldn't you? Even if they're just chuffed at recieving an invite, but doesn't actually want to go, at least they know they've had the opportunity.

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bialystockandbloom · 11/12/2011 18:09

Yep I agree. Obviously if it's a smaller party and the birthday child chooses, it's up to them who they choose, but the ones that invite every other child except the one with SN are incredibly mean Sad

At best it's thoughtless, but at worst is seriously mean.

And it's up to the parent of the SN child to make the decision to go or not - if they think their child won't be able to manage it, or might ruin the day of the precious little flower birthday child they probably won't go anyway.

Chundle · 11/12/2011 18:22

My dd2 was invited to a boys 3rd bday at weekend. There was around 18 kids there, there was my dd, a boy who wad deaf and 2 boys with behaviour issues possibly autism. I thought was lovely she invited them. And I must say my dd was the best behaved at party table! Far better behaved than the NT kids :)

InExcelsisDeo · 11/12/2011 18:23

No-one should invite a whole class and leave 2 children out. If the parents of the birthday child have such a mindset that they prioritise the "risk of disruption" above the children they are excluding, they should at least invite a smaller group.

Its the attitude that the parents are modelling for their own children that would concern me too - although anytime we have encountered problems with people's attitude towards DS and his disablities, it has never been from anyone under the age of 20 so I do tend to hope the the upcoming generation may have less predujices and preconceptions.

pigletmania · 11/12/2011 18:28

I agree, to invite the whole class but one or two children is horrible. SN children imo cause no more disruptions than nt kids Hmm, just that their needs are different, they will usually have a parent/carer with them who will take them away if needs be. My dd 4.6 (AS traits, dev delay) got invited to so many parties at pre school, her behaviour was very good, but recently she has been to a couple of parties and her behaviour has not been good, so much so that we have had to remove her and take her home. She does not like too much noise, commotion, and does not really care for parties, and at a party you get all that. In a way now its a blessing in disguise if she does not get an invite, saves all the hassel. I asked her whether she wanted a party for her 5 birthday in March, she said no, so there you go.

oodlesofdoodles · 11/12/2011 18:54

Well done for inviting the SN kids to your dd's party. Maybe you will set a trend at the school.

cory · 11/12/2011 19:15

I think there should be a law that you can only invite either the whole class, no exceptions, or a small select company chosen by your dc. When I am Master of the Universe...

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sickofsocalledexperts · 11/12/2011 20:04

People who invite the wholre class but omit the 1 or 2 with SN are simply bad people. No empathy, no kindness of spirit, no heart. Karma will get them in the end.

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/12/2011 20:09

People who invite the whole class but omit the 1 or 2 with SN are simply bad people. No empathy, no kindness of spirit, no heart. Karma will get them in the end.

Becaroooodolf · 11/12/2011 20:24

IME its NT kids who are usually the most vile at parties Hmm

chocjunkie · 11/12/2011 20:51

DD (3.9, asd) doesn't get invites either. I see it quite regularly how mums give out invites at nursery to other mums. I know that my friends' DC (who attend the same nursery) get invites on a regular basis. just DD doesn't seem to get anything :( . but luckily, DD isn't bothered in the least about it...

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beingarebel · 11/12/2011 22:16

Quite frankly I find the whole birthday parties thing a bloody nightmare. Why do parents find the need to be quite so horrible? But I now know who are the nice people and who are the ones pretending. I will never be inviting more than 2 friends per child ever again thanks to the experience of last year, in reception. And this was my NT dd's party and the fact that she has a SN brother. I feel sick just thinking about it again. Birthday parties are over-rated, thats what I've told DD and she had a much better party for only having 2 REAL friends over who accept her and our family as we are than having a bunch of people who really think ds is worse than dog poo on the sole of your shoe.

makemineaquadruple · 11/12/2011 23:33

Obviously struck a chord. Suspected it might.

It's just so sad and disappointing that these kind of things still happen. I have to admit that i've chickened out for the last 4 years to have big parties for dd simply because I was terrified that nobody would come. So it's always been just family. She's always had a lovely time, but I knew I needed to at least try it. As I mentioned, her party actually went very well, but the fact that I was told what I was told, really stuck with me. It breaks my heart. Both those little boys had a lovely time and ok, it could have gone the other way, but it didn't. They were happy, their parents were happy and my dd was happy. She wouldn't have cared less if they had had a meltdown or ran around too much. I would have been sad for the parents, but it wouldn't have bothered me. Nothing would have been ruined. It would just been one of those things and it could have happened to any of the NT dc's, as quite a few of you had mentioned actually.

I really wish I could get all those excluding mums and dads to really hear this and understand. I have to admit though, a few that i've met I don't think would care even if they did understand. As long as nothing is affecting their perfect little visions of perfection, then they'll always turn a blind eye to anybody elses hurt feelings.

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sitandnatter · 12/12/2011 00:00

I used to get around it as a mother by talking to the other mother and asking her to stay to help me. I helped that she was a friend. (My own child is SN). Her son was a complete handfull but it was cool if she was on standby if it all kicked off and I'd help her with her son's parties to be around for mine.

I think it is a toughie but nothing that can't be worked around with a little common sense.

someoneoutthere · 12/12/2011 06:36

In his six months at the MN school, ds did not get a single invite even from people we considered as friends. Ds was oblivious, but it hurt me. And although DS has autism, he is not the disruptive or aggressive type to ruin the party. He would be the one to find a toy and sit in a corner to play all by himself.

FanjoForTheReindeerJumper · 12/12/2011 07:20

My DD got 2 invites in 2 years at nursery. Her behavior is not disruptive or aggressive in anyway, she just has ASD and LDs.

signandsingcarols · 12/12/2011 07:34

Ds has had two invites this term, (which I was gob smacked at, to be honest!) But I think it is down to the attitude of the school as well as the parents... have to say ds's MS school have been fab, and all the kids in recpetion with him accept him as he is...
I am sure things will not be so smooth in years to come, but I am enjoying the calm after an 'interesting' couple of years...
Ds doesn't have parties, cos he wouldn't cope and altho you can leave someone elses party you can't really leave your own... Hmm. I wasn't sure what to do about school 'friends', (we had a swimming trip to the hydro pool for family and other friends) . So in the end bought 30 nice books from The Book People, (turned out 66p each, Grin) and gave one to everyone with a little note inside that said ds isn't having a party this year, but still wanted to share his birthday with everyone, hope you like the book, love from ds. cost less than £20 for everyone, all included...

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/12/2011 07:52

"People who invite the whole class but omit the 1 or 2 with SN are simply bad people. No empathy, no kindness of spirit, no heart. Karma will get them in the end".

Hear,hear re Sicks above comments.

I still remember the feelings of hurt by my son's omission from the whole class party one of the children had back in Infants school. It was so blatant on the part of said child to hand out all the invites to everyone in the line after arriving for the start of the school day. I knew they were invites as well because I heard him say so!.

On the other hand he was invited to some of the other class parties during his time in Infants and I stayed with him throughout.

Bakelitebelle · 12/12/2011 08:51

This isn't exclusive to MS schools: DS rarely gets party invitations and was the only one not invited to another child's party - there are only 6 kids in the class ffs - and I am sure it is because he is too severely disabled. In fact, I have countered more prejudice and less understanding among parents of children with mild and moderate disabilities than the general population. He has actually been invited to more MS parties via my other DS

abeltasman · 13/12/2011 00:53

Don't get me started on birthday parties! My son has just been Dx as ASD HF but has had significant social issues for 4 years (he is extremely bright but couldn't organise his way out of a paper bag,). He is in a very small school, with only 8 in his class. Earlier this term his 'best friend' whom he has known since nursery, aged 2, had a party and invited everyone except my son. And from the conversations which I heard in the playground and the classroom, it was because the other child's mother had said that my DS couldn't come. Not for any outward reason, as she has told me my son's Dx is 'a load of rubbish'. And the child's mother? A GP ferchrissakes! The prejudice and insensitivity of some people knows no bounds. Of course my DS was devastated and with ASD he found it very hard to understand why he was omitted. It really sickens me how people can behave like this. I should add that the same mother invited all her younger son's class but NOT the one SN (severely autistic) child. So I don't know why I am surprised but it upsets me to think of the poor values this parents teaching her children. What a ***. A medical profession
Should know better, right?!

Soutty · 13/12/2011 09:34

My DS has only had 1 party invitation in 2 years of being at nursery. I was so delighted when he got the invite. It turns out that the child who's birthday it was also has speech delay. Only 3 people turned up to his party including my son and another boy with speech delay, everyone else sent texts half an hour into the party to say their children were ill. I'm not sure I buy it - surely you would know your child was ill earlier than that. I think that at the last minute they decided that they didn't want their kids mixing with children with "problems".

My DD is NT with lots of friends but she's had hardly any invitations since word got around that her brother has "problems". One of her friends said she didn't want to play at our house if her brother was there. DD just said that she didn't want to play with her any more if her brother couldn't play too.

Life would be a lot easier if more parents of NT children had a bit more compassion. As it is, so many react like we and our children have something nasty that might be catching.