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Anyone else heard of Delayed visual Maturation?

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Lakette · 07/01/2006 16:49

Our 11 week baby girl has just been diagnosed as having Delayed Visual Maturation (DVM) Her eyes are physically ok but she doesnt seem to be able to see anything. Does anyone know about this as we are really worried that it is just the consultant buying some time before he really hits us with the bad news!

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magic5 · 07/01/2006 18:43

i have read a post recently on a site about this. a lady 2nd child had this and by three months the childs sight had righted itself but she did see a consultant in these matters,wish i could remeber what site it was now,it might of been mumsnet.sorry not that much help do a search on the internet should be some info somewhere for that condition

magic5 · 07/01/2006 18:43

or it could of been netmums

Littlefish · 07/01/2006 19:15

I'm not absolutely sure, but one of my relatives was thought to be blind when she was first born. I can't swear what it was, but it turned out fine - she's now 16, can see fine, but has a small delay in her eyes focussing if she turns her head.

Sorry - this probably doesn't help at all, but I just wondered if you recognised any of the same information.

I hope someone else will be along soon with more information for you.

singersgirl · 07/01/2006 19:31

Didn't one of Jacqui Jackson's children have it - Luke, I think? No personal experience, I'm afraid.

Davros · 07/01/2006 19:40

I think there is a type of vision problem that is related to the brain and not the eye itself iyswim. A friend's DS had this and he has improved hugely, he is now 12 mind you. I could ask her more about it if you like. Also try RNIB website, she raves about RNIB and its not just for people with no vision.

Twiglett · 07/01/2006 19:40

have googled and it does seem to be a definite condition that can right itself if no underlying physical causes .. from what I have read quickly it seems that it should be fine by 6 months old

so I would think it was a positive diagnosis ...do you have nay follow up appointments ?

giddy1 · 07/01/2006 19:48

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r3dh3d · 07/01/2006 20:26

Yup. My LO had this.

It's a bit of a "non-syndrome", in that there seems to be some debate as to whether there is an underlying condition or problem or whether it is just one of those things that happens sometimes. Most probably, in some cases there is an underlying cause and in others it is genuinely just late development within the range of "normal" and nothing to worry about.

With Helena, she was diagnosed with this at 8 weeks; she couldn't fix and follow (should be able to by 5 weeks) and was pretty much stuck at this level till about 4 months when it improved. By 6 months it had cleared up.

She has a bunch of other neuro/visual problems but it's not clear whether they are related to the DVM or not.

Lakette · 09/01/2006 09:38

Thanks for all the replies. We have got an NHS appointment due to come through which the consultant has asked us to keep (I was so worried went private cos couldnt stand people just thinking I was a paranoid mother anymore)r3dh3d what type of neuro/visual problems? What symptoms does she have?

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r3dh3d · 09/01/2006 10:42

Helena is a bit complex (!)

For starters, she has a frontal lobe abnormality which was picked up on MRI brain scan. There is also some faint weirdness towards the back of the brain (where optical processing happens) though it is less obvious and you have to be really looking for it to pick it up. There may be other problems developing, we're due another MRI scan to find out.

She has Galactosaemia - a genetic condition probably unrelated to the brain abnormality but which can, in itself, cause widespread low-level neurological damage.

So, those are our two "causes", so she will have a number of things your LO is very unlikely to have, don't read anything into the following:

Vision-related:

  • Saccadic Initiation Failure: an inability to make sudden "glancing" movements with the eyes, for instance if something suddenly appears to one side of you. She can do this to the left, not to the right. May affect reading in later life. Was quite severe at about 6 months, now much improved.
  • Poor recognition of right field: eyes working OK on this side but not really registering objects on her right. Again, has improved somewhat (about 15% in the last 6 months) and may continue to improve. But rhs still less "significant" to her than lhs.
  • Reduced visual acuity: can't distinguish very small objects - again eyes fine in this regard but the brain isn't picking up tiny things - not a major problem but won't ever be able to read the very bottom of the optician's chart no matter how good her glasses are.
  • physical eye problem: has mild cataracts which are tending to make one eye short-sighted. We're patching for this and again it's improving but long-term may need glasses.

I think that's all the visual stuff. Some may be related to DVM if not caused by it - eg if she had some problem on RHS anyway, it didn't get "exercise" for the first couple of months due to DVM and so was worse than it might have been though now improving.

Non-visual stuff: Global Developmental Delay (she's 21 months but developmentally about 8 months), ASD, Severe drug-resistant Epilepsy. The ASD and the Epilepsy are probably due to the frontal lobe abnormality, the GDD is probably caused (or at least is made worse) by the Epilepsy.

Like I said, don't expect any of the above to happen to your baby - Helena's a bit of an odd case. I did read up on DVM when Helena first got it and I know in a lot of cases it's just one of those things and clears up on its own (as it did with Helena despite her other problems). Good luck for your NHS appointment - where are you going? We are with a Mr Nischal at Great Ormond Street - the clinic is an absolute nightmare logisitically, but he is very good.

Lakette · 09/01/2006 14:19

We are at St Georges and seem to have a great Consultant who seems very keen to deal with Merran's case. Obviously over paranoid, but I have read lots of websites which say that consultants make prognosis of DVM to buy themselves more time. He has said that if she hasnt improved by time we take her back he will give her the brain scans
I do sometimes think that she can see me as I look down and catch her looking at me and then she smiles. but its just when she is in her chair/our arms facing out that she just looks upwards or her eyes drift from side to side. maybe its that she is just a bit lazy!!

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r3dh3d · 09/01/2006 15:30

Re: buying time - I guess it may be true, at least in the sense that some of these conditions need a trend for diagnosis (ie getting better, worse, staying the same...) plus of course the older the child is the more co-operative they are in the tests so diagnosis gets easier as they get older. So they may be more sure what they are looking at in a couple of months' time. That having been said, the problems H had that they diagnosed as DVM do seem to have completely gone away rather than morphed into one of her other problems. So in that sense, DVM was a "correct" diagnosis, though there were also other problems that could only be seen once the DVM had cleared up.

Have they done the flashy screen test yet? VEP I think it is called? They stick about 8 electrodes on your child's head and then put them in front of a screen with a flickering checkerboard pattern on it. The electrodes register how far the brain is stimulated by (ie seeing) what is on the screen.

We're at St Georges' for some of H's Epilepsy issues - we're queued there for brain surgery assessment - and it is very good for Neurological issues, though I don't know anything about Opthalmology. Bit of a nightmare for parking though - really expensive!

Ruth86 · 18/06/2019 10:24

Hi there

My son is 12 weeks and has been diagnosed with delayed visual maturation. He is just about starting to fix and follow when he wants to bu still appears unresponsive to faces in front of him even when st the same distance as the toy he is looking at....
Has anyone got any experience of how this condition improves or at what rate? Or did the DVM cause delays in other areas temporarily?
He also seems to have stopped liking to lift his head on tummy time but has got good head control...
I am just so worried it is more than just 'seeing'.
Thanks

StillMedusa · 03/07/2019 21:42

My son had delayed visual maturation.
Didn't fix and follow, didn't smile. He was also very floppy with very poor head control. It was miserable! He had an MRI and there was something wonky but non specific in the occipital zone if I remember correctly.

His vision ..or rather his brain doing something with his vision improved gradually.. he didn't really smile til 10 months ..looked past faces vaguely at hairlines. He also got glasses at 6 months of age as he was extremely long sighted. They helped a little.

Over time though his eyes and brain caught up. He became a smiley little toddler and you'd never know now. He does have special needs (ASD and some mild physical and learning disabilities but other than wearing glasses, his eyes aren't a problem at ALL.
(and with all of the above , and attending special school he actually has a job too now :) )

novicemumof2 · 22/07/2021 09:57

Hi @Ruth86 , my 10 week son has been diagnosed with delayed visual maturation.
He seems fine otherwise but seems like he can't see much.I am worried sick.I hope things have turned out fine for you..
Can I know how your son is doing now please?

Ruth86 · 23/07/2021 16:22

Hi there novicemumof2

I am sorry you are so worried, I was exactly the same and I felt it really robbed me of the first months of bonding. DVM was the only worrying sign when my son was a baby.

My son is now 2 years old and is developing absolutely fine as far as I know. His vision is also excellent. He is a very happy, social and outgoing little boy. He has met all other milestones.

I felt his vision started to improve around 4-5 months and initially it seemed his social skills were behind. I was advised this was normal as it would take him time to recognise smiling and social cues as he had not yet seen them. This started to improve around 6-7 months.

He is very small however...0.04th centile. I am also only 5ft 1 but given the initial stress of DVM this is something I constantly monitor in the hope here isn't anything else going on...
I hope this helps?

novicemumof2 · 23/07/2021 19:50

@Ruth86 Thank you so much for replying.
I'm so glad things worked out fine for your son.This is very reassuring.
So far we have concerns only with my DSs vision and since the consultant did not see any problems with his eye,he thinks it's DVM. He has asked us to wait for a month before deciding what tests/MRI need to be done .
We are just hoping there is nothing else going on and his vision gets better.
We are trying to stay positive and enjoy the baby phase but it's so difficult not to worry.
Thank you again for replying,it did get my spirits up!

novicemumof2 · 23/07/2021 19:53

@Ruth86 - We are trying to visually simulate my DS with black n white pictures and bright toys. Also using toys with light in dark room.Do you have any more tips for us? Did you find anything particularly helped with the vision improvement?

Ruth86 · 23/07/2021 20:42

That all sounds really positive. Our eye exam was normal too but we were never offered an MRI scan so early as they weren't concerned given that information. I think they thought a general was more risky than watch and wait given the nature of DVM. I found this really tough at the time..
It sounds like you're doing a great job! We did all the same things as you. I read on other sites it can improve anywhere from 6 months to a year but the waiting is awful.

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