Are irrational thoughts parts of Asperger's or a co-morbid separate thing

[Jennylee]

My son is 12 in a unit in a mainstream high school where he was looked after well in his first month introduced slowly to other kids in base. now he is following their time table full-time and his behaviour has regressed turned bad in new ways to cope with being with peers even with classroom assistant. he is awful at home turned from us almost forgetting he has a.s.d in the summer and attending a wedding fine all day, to now I cant take him anywhere only his dad can, if i and his baby toddler siblings are alone with him he changes goes paranoid and want to bully and hit them, has pulled a knife on us a few weeks ago only if its me and him im very small he is very tall. he is now believing everthign his peers tell him so he believes they all smoke and take drugs he took up smoking insecret and he found out and stopped it and this made a whoel weekend and a few days at school helll thinking his firends would nto L
ike him anymore and wantingot get revenge on his parents for stopping him.. Ranting about hurting us gettign taken away. he got over that now he came home on monday paranoid as someone had told him to bring money infor cannabis or they would waste him, probably piss taking. anyway now all he can tlak about wiht me not his dad, is being a dealaer selling it and gettinga cap with a cannabis leaf on it, drawing leafs onhis folder at school offering to sell it to people. now, he is neever allowed out unsupervised, never since the start of this year, only sees sesible cousins who dont really go out and are popular and dont do these things has no firends and we dont smoke or do drugs, so be very clear thisis a complete fantasy he says so he canbe invikved with drugs but not take them himself, he cant get to sleep he looks knaclered he is sinsiter and agressive with me adn wants desperately for me to tak ehim out but just swears and rants about this subjects andgetts meltdowny in public. all since they let him go to school like te otehrsin the base. have ameeting on monday. he also drnak lots of out alchohol in secret sunday we realsied in the eveing then went agressive all day at school monday and tried to offer it to his peers, we let thrm in 2 times and 2nd time i overheard themaskign him for 15 pounds to buy cocaine, trying to get moeny out of him. now they still play with toy cars and are in the base too so know they just see he is worse than them and can get him to do thingslike hand over moeny i got it back before they left and he offered them the drink that day and they would nto event tastit. do we just have to suck it up that aspergers teens are difficult or is thissoemthing i need help with from another agency. if u read all that thank you. just feel bad as got dx this year and lost my boy to high school, life has become intolerable when we thought hewas just a bit difficult and got bullied a lot now all we see is aspergers expressing tiself more and mroe and in dont know who this guilible paranoid ratnign boy is or what d o do with him.

I dont know if this helps but my son is 6 and I am convinced he has AS/ASD he is still being assessed overall for this.

But I think its the need to be in control that he is doing this. DS is gun obsessive (toy) he flits into imaginary world of some superhero or other or runs and shoots. I did a trial to see what went on in his head and I let him have a toy gun out on a walk a couple of times. What I saw was everytime he clicked his gun it was directly at a situation, conversation or person he didnt like.

In a way I think this keeps him powerful above anyone else and in control of his feelings. He thinks this way he is popular when he isnt.

I would get some help with this, the way I am looking at it reading between the lines is his friends obviously have made him a target for ridicule as they know he is vulnerable. He believes them and wants to be part of this and so when they are asking him to bring money etc for drugs he will. The talk of being a dealer is he thinks this is a powerful thing to be if you see what I mean. Which is probably why he is going on and on about it. You stop it and he retailiates because you are taking his popularity away.

I stop DS and he meltsdown but he is only 6 right now. It must be so hard in the teenage years.

Sending you a hug x

thanks for reading it coff33pot, he was such a lovely boy I know it is stress doing it to him, I hope talking to the school on monday will help but not sure what they can do a mental health person will be coming so I hope she is helpful.

I wish he was still small as i could stop the meltdowns by distracting him by putting him in a bath and he wouls stop screaming and play. thanks for replying to me

How far are you from London? The Maudsley has a specialist autistic behavioral unit which is fabbo for getting to the bottom of issues like this. Could you get a referral?

I have three children with Aspergers. None of them are like this. That's not to say they haven't been rude or extremely difficult or very daft. They are often manipulated.
Coff33 has a point, some of it is about being accepted and not knowing how much of a line he is being fed. He may think that the behaviour he sees in school is the norm and be trying to fit in. I think you need help from specialists in how to deal with this. Having said that, we did have a paranoid period from two of them around the age of 12, we were assured by the psychologist that this was normal for kids with AS, heightened sensitivity etc. It has (more or less) passed. We were advised to treat it with calm and explain to them why they were feeling like this, and encouraged them to ask themselves 'is it logical?' Which seemed to help.
Hope things improve for you.

thanks for the replies i'm in scotland so no were near that clinid but it helps to be able to say this stuff on here and hear from people who know a little about a.s.d as for people with nt kids they get get horrified and worried and can't really understand.