Well we had been given some tickets for the sealife centre and some travel vouchers so we could have a family day out...... wonderfull i thought but the 2hr train ride turned into a nightmare thanks to some horried old woman on the train, the train was busy and we managed to find a free table for my dh to sit with the ds1 13yr (pda, odd, adhd) and the 2 little ones, i found a seat opposite with dd1 10( severe sli, asd) and this lady n her i presume grandaughter as oppsite us, anyway dd1 being her normal self asked the lady if her kid would like to sit with her, this woman then eruppted very rudely snapped at my dd1 saying that she isnt a kid but a child and i should teach my dd propper english.... i was totally omg!!!! and excuise me but my dd1 has a disability and there is no need to be like she was with her, this then caused my dd1 to go into a tearfull meltdown which then started ds1 off.( someone commented cant you control your kids)so im trying to calm down dd1 while dh is attempting to shut ds1 up while trying to keep the 2 little ones in there seats, which ended up in totall chaos and getting looks from everyone else on the train, when we finally managed to get where we were going, We realised that it is impossible for us to manage the 4 of them without another adult if going out anywhere via pubilc transport, this has now really put me off in going anywhere for where am i going to find someone that is willing to help us on a regular basis. but iv given in to myself and iv applied to the family fund for driving lessons cause surley if i get a car, then the travelling part may become slightly easier. sorry if iv gone on, i ended up having such a stressfull day and hated every min or what should have been a lovely family day out. and i was thinking of a family holiday..... erm not now, id end up having a break down.