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Claw3 · 13/09/2011 09:28

Below are observations in brief over a two year period of ds in school. School are saying ds "only has these difficulties on paper" and they consider these observations as a "snap shot" of ds. Apparently he doesnt have any of these difficulties on a day to day basis and his teachers have no concerns and are therefore not following any of the recommendations made by the experts below. What can i do if school are saying these problems do not exist? (sorry its long!)

Specialist SALT Sept 09

Ds seemed quite agitated and anxious and moved around a lot on his chair. On many occasions during the assessment he seemed quite confused. Ds is engaging in some repetitive behaviours ie rubbing his mouth with his jumper. There was also some eye twitching observed, rocking and repetitive hand movements within the assessment session. At times our informal conversation did not make sense to me.

Bibic Dec 09

Ds was observed to frequently pick at his face and lips as he worked, he also swung his feet back and forth. He needed extensive direction to begin tasks.

Specialist SALT June 10

Ds permitted his mum to leave him in the room with me. However he showed raised levels of anxiety and rubbed his skin constantly. I attempted to engage ds in conversation, his eye contact became reduced and became self absorbed in what he was doing. He made no attempt to interact with me.

EP September 10

It has been observed that ds is very anxious to get things right and has a tendency to say ?no I didn?t do it?. Ds was observed in the playground, which was a large, generally open area. Ds tended to walk along one edge of the grass. He appeared content to walk backwards and forwards on his own. He did not seek to engage in play with any other pupil. I asked him to tell me about the playground. Ds pointed outside of the school and said that his house was over there. We walked for a little and when we talked ds tended to come back to the subject of his house. When asked about worries he said he worried in school when places ?looked dark and scary?.

ASD Advisory teacher visit September 2010

She observed ds was unable to change his library book without adult assistance. ds became anxious and close to tears at fruit time and needed her to prompt him to tell the teacher that he did not want fruit. During a small group assessment ds struggled with language, communication, rigid thinking and separating fantasy from reality. She observed his avoidance technique of having his PE kit, but saying he had left it at home. Class teacher reported that ds was not able to read from the interactive white board.

SALT October 10

Ds's class teacher reported that he does not show social isolation, but has not got particular friendships within the class. At times, ds can get very anxious, particularly when speaking in front of the class. He will cough or clear his throat a lot when nervous. During the observation, some anxious behaviours were noted, for example the continuous movement of his hands and clearing of his throat.

Ind SALT March 11

I observed ds in the classroom during a literacy lesson. ds sat passively throughout the discussion. ds did not engage in the task until the TA came to his table and asked him directly, after a great deal of prompting ds engaged by copying the ideas of the girl next to him. ds appeared confused by the task and needed further individual prompting. My impression was that ds did not understand what his teacher was implying. TA had to stay with ds to talk through what to do next and what to write. At the end of the lesson the TA shook a tambourine to signal that the children should stop and put their hands on their heads to show they were listening. ds did not attend. At the end of the lesson, the children had worked independently and completed far more work than ds. ds called out to his teacher that he had only done two lines.

ind OT Feb 11

Ds was fidgeting with his hands and shoes. Ds seemed to get distracted at the table. ds had to be reminded to collect his items and sit back down. ds looked down and fiddled with his pen during the discussion. When asked to collect the milk from the office, ds struggled and was confused. During the break period it was raining and we had to remain indoors. The class were told to go to their tables and choose some pictures to colour in. ds was the last child to take a seat. He was fiddling with pencils, when reminded to sit down, he did. He playfully showed a picture to a girl sat next to him, she however was busy with her drawing and did not notice ds. As ds walked around the class room he talked to himself, he then pretended to swish a sword in the air by himself. When ds was seated he coloured in by himself, other children sat at the table were talking while drawing. ds tidied up slowly and again was the last to seated on the carpet.

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Claw3 · 13/09/2011 14:18

Ok will do, thanks, will get those typed and sent by tomorrow, no more excuses from them. Do i send 2 seperate letters or incorporate the 2?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 13/09/2011 14:20

I'd just incorporate the two, but under seperate bullet points. Get a receipt by either recorded delivery, or by handing it into reception and requesting one.

When I did it with the last school, I showed the receptionist the letter and the receipts actually said:

Received Mrs Starlights request for blah blah blah, signed receptionist.

Claw3 · 13/09/2011 14:23

Should i include the fee of £50, i know they can use this as a delay tactic? Is there any charge for subject access or does the £50 cover it? (just did quick google and it said £10)

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StarlightMcKenzie · 13/09/2011 14:30

I'm afraid I would just include it and say something like:

To ensure there is no delay I have enclosed the maximum charges of £50 and £10 respectively and will collect any refund owed if relevant, after the 20 days.

Claw3 · 13/09/2011 14:44

Thanks Star, i will send it tomorrow, or even get it typed tonight once ds is in bed and include the charge and the line about refund. Im very looking forward to receiving it.

If when i get all the evidence and if it proves that they had lied at Tribunal, should i wait for SA or write to LA prior to SA time limits, requesting that they reconsider their decision based on what i have or start afresh with SA?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 13/09/2011 15:21

tbh Claw if you are going to do it, you'd be wise to hit all agencies at once. PCT (list all agencies, i,e. HVs, SALT, OT etc.) and then the LA (list all, EP, SEN, Autism Advisory, and add a caveat saying 'and any other departments that have information on ds).

Also, include your name as a seperate request. LA's have been known to be a bit clever and not refer to the child in their inter-department emails so that when you ask for information on them, you won't get the one that says 'Right, shall we see if we can stitch up Mrs Claw with Social Services for a bit?'

The reason you should hit them all together is that despite it being illegal (but you know now that no-one cares about the law right - not even tribunal panels) they do weed, but you will get the SALT showing you correspondence with the LA, where the LA have ommitted that particular piece iyswim.

Best have an all out attack.

However, please PLEASE be prepared for what you get. You won't like a lot of it and it can leave you shaking for a few days after you have read it.

Claw3 · 13/09/2011 17:04

Thanks Star will get started with letter to school for starters. Ds1 has offered to play with ds on the ps3, so i get get the first letter done. Then it will just be a case of copy and pasting the others.

If i copy and paste first one here, would you mind making sure i havent missed anything please?

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Claw3 · 13/09/2011 17:19

I feel i got muddled in the subject access, as i dont know what i should be requesting?

Dear Sirs, (does it have to be addressed to board of governors?)

I wish to receive copies of all items on my son?s school records. I will expect to receive any information kept in my son?s general file and those
records kept separate from the general file ie the special educational
needs file and incident records and to include the following:-

? Exactly what help ds currently receives.

? A copy of ds?s SALT programme, targets, outcomes and progress etc.

? A copy of ds?s ?Jump ahead? programme, targets, outcomes and progress etc.

? A copy of ds?s social skills programme, targets, outcomes and progress etc.

? A copy of the recommendations made by ASD Advisory teacher in September 2010, the targets, outcome, progress etc.

? A copy of the recommendations made by SALSA team and the Occupational Therapist.

? A copy of February 2011 IEP and ds?s current IEP.

? Any meetings with outside agencies.

I would also like to make a subject access request under the Data Protection Act 1998 for any information you hold on me or my son.

I understand I am entitled to school records within 15 school days under the Pupil Information Regulations and 20 days for the subject access requests and that you may charge for photocopying. To ensure there is no delay I have enclosed the maximum charges of £50 and £10 respectively and will collect any refund owed if relevant, after the 20 days.

Thank you for your attention to this.

Yours faithfully,

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PipinJo · 13/09/2011 21:59

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Claw3 · 13/09/2011 22:45

We are no where near tribunal yet Pipin, im about to start the SA process again, after losing tribunal in May.

This is more to prove that the school lied at Tribinal and ds did not met all the targets that SENCO claimed he did, IEP targets dont exist, because ds doesnt even have an IEP for example, so how could he have met them! I also suspect the only programme he has in place is the SALT one. I have a letter from ind OT confirming that SENCO had told that ds had only attended the jump ahead programme 3 times and SENCO also confirmed to her that ds had not met any IEP targets when she attended in February, strangely enough February was when school stopped writing IEP's (ds had failed to met targets in the previous 2, i know that because i have copies), strange how it also coincided with tribunal in May

Perhaps i would be better off just asking school for file for now and do subject access nearer to Tribunal, if and when it gets that far?

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Claw3 · 13/09/2011 22:50

Sorry should have added, i requested copies of all of the above in July and school have failed to provide copies or answer my letter, i suspect because they dont exist.

I dont want to go in all guns blazing, then they 'magically' appear. So if i request copies formally, they have to provide them by law, if they dont then by law they dont exist and no back tracking can be done.

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