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I hate feeling like such a PITA all the time at school...

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FickleFreckle · 19/07/2011 11:23

Yet another fraught conversation at the start of the school day when what I thought was going to be a simple two-minute conversation ended up being an argument that made the teacher late to take her register and inconvenienced the head as well. I feel awful about it, awful about the fact that the teacher with whom I had previously got on so well seems to feel increasingly irritated, insulted and frustrated every time I open my mouth, and awful about getting a name for myself as a nightmare parent.

I'm also unhappy about the result of the conversation, but I have to think positive and concentrate on the positives, which is that ds has had good 1:1 support this last week and the staff have been very kind to him (they always are kind and nice to the children; that's why I've still got him in the school) And we are going to proceed towards statementing, although they don't think he will get it, and they will get the EP in to see him next term.

This latest argument was about ds going part-time in Year One. I've been told that this is a much harder set-up with ds having to use the "big-boy toilets" (toileting is a massive issue) and having the same amount of children with less staff, plus a more demanding curriculum. At various points in the year ds' teacher has expressed her concern about how he will cope. There's also been an ongoing issue about ds biting and pushing and putting his hands around other children's necks which recently led to his being threatened with exclusion and things got fraught then with me saying he needed more support. This was when I brought up the issue of flexi-schooling.

So I found out about it and found out it was legal and a matter of private arrangement between school and parent as the child is then classed as educated off-site for part of the time. Great, I thought, no need to put ds, who is very young for his year and very young for his age, in Year One full-time and watch him struggle while we go through statementing, which we might not get anyway; he can go in the mornings, we can have a transition plan, we can phase him in full-time later if we want but it buys us time and flexibility.

DS' teacher says she is not prepared to even think about it until we have gone through statementing and we can see what support ds will get and what support I will get (?) and "see how he gets on". I said I was worried about the transition and she said she was not prepared to think that far ahead. Suddenly the story is that he's made great progress, the strategies are all in place, he'll be supported next year just as he has been this year. My perception is that despite a lot of effort being made to accommodate him (I've made it clear I'm not criticising the school) ds is getting very stressed and tired and making a fraction of the progress he could make. So if he has found it difficult in reception how is he going to manage in year one? I don't want to "wait and see" - wait and see what? If he is publically humiliated by an inability to control his bowels and bladder? If the progress I've made with him over the summer holidays gets undone and he steadily slides backward? If the pressure steadily builds in him until he lashes out and alienates the few friends he is slowly making? Errr...that's precisely what I am trying to avoid! It might not happen, of course, but I was hoping not to take the gamble.

What is irritating me is that the school are saying that flexi-schooling is too risky a decision to make quickly. As if putting him straight into Year One full-time is NOT risky! What they mean is that it's not the conventional option; and we all know how well the conventional way of doing things serves our children, don't we?

I'm sorry, but I feel as if I can see the whole scenario unfolding with horrible predictability. My son will have a few token assessments done at the beginning when special care will be taken to support him, by someone who has a qualification but doesn't know him or what he is capable of. He will seem OK and he will be given just enough support to get through the school day without disrupting lessons too much and participating in activities in at least a token way. He will make some progress and that will be classed as great, because it's so hard for autistic children to make progress isn't it, that even just being included is progress isn't it? Nobody will know any better, because they don't really know him, and the people who do know him ie. his family, will be treated with professional pleasantness and care and listened to just enough to shut them up and get them out of the classroom so the professionals can do their job.

The cracks will start to show later on, of course, as he finds it harder and harder to keep going. But by then the support will have been decided, the decisions and reports all made. Sigh...

OK, rant over. I feel better now :)

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FickleFreckle · 23/07/2011 20:21

Mmmmm, wagon wheels...Amazing how much chocolate helps (virtual and otherwise although I only have neat, slender squares of austere dark chocolate here and not the bucketloads of milky comfort I'm craving).

Have dusted myself off and poured a Wine. (Am wondering if it is safe to drink more than a small glass before co-sleeping and night-time breastfeeding a 3 year old - hope the school don't know about that on a number of counts Blush ) I drink so little these days I tend to get tipsy on a winegum and I sleep so little I will probably be crashed out by 9 pm.

Now. I have to make my decision by the end of the week. Even though what I wanted is theoretically being granted, do I want ds to be where he is not wanted? Can I work with these people? I would love to homeschool ds, but is that in his best interests? Do I have the energy to never have a break?
I am a SAHM so while we don't have much money I would not have to give up my job.

Any thoughts, anyone? Maybe there should be a homeschooling support thread on here? I know there's already a homeschooling forum, but this place feels like home to me now. :)

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coff33pot · 23/07/2011 20:48

I homeschooled only for a few weeks till the school got their act together and to be honest I thoroughly enjoyed it and so did DS Smile Both DH and I have agreed should things continue to go wrong then we will remove him from school full stop. At the moment he is part time and coping with that just about.

I think you have to way up a few things first.

There wont be a break it will be 24/7

Even though no break do you think your DS will be calmer without the stresses of school.

Your DS will still need to have the chance to be with peers and have social communication amounting to what he can cope with. This can be lined up with clubs like beavers/cubs/swimming etc. A lot of clubs down here dont take children till they are 6yrs so I had a nightmare trying to find something for him initially.

The home schooling did take priority over anything else that was going on in the house so if you have a family are they prepared to be quiet so your DS can learn and give up the dining table Grin

That said I was trying to stick to times exactly as he had at school so it would be no different at home or there incase he went back. Home schooling can be spread throughout the day if necessary to work around other people.

Lambskin · 24/07/2011 09:35

I've only been home schooling for a week but the relief is enormous. It is hard work being with ds2 all day every day but dh takes over at weekends, and we have been having fun!

I've decided not to be so much like school in hours and ways of learning. Ds comes into bed with me in the morning and we read or look things up on the iPad (They Might Be Giants have done some great songs that help make learning fun - the Elements one is our favourite). I'm aiming to do an hour of literacy and an hour of maths and use the rest of the day for projects, going out, cooking, gardening, talking, etc.

So far we've made a pre-historic dinosaur landscape, some banana bread, a camp, done a load of weeding, gone shopping and started to assess his ability at key stage 1 in Literacy.

Because he is with me all of the time the rhythm of the day is different, more relaxed. He's less erratic and less argumentative because he feels as though he is in control of his day.

I don't want to tell you 'oh you should do it too', you know your ds better than anyone else and whether you think this would work for him.

I googled Home Education in my area, sent an email to the local group, got an email back with a phone number and an invitation for a chat. I phoned her and left a message and she got back to me and we chatted for ages, gave me loads of info. There are group workshops, trips to exhibitions and camping activities so the social side is really good.

Look into it and see what you think Smile you can always do it for a bit and then see how he is further down the line. He could just need some time out and recovery time.

appropriatelytrained · 24/07/2011 09:51

Fickle - I am so sorry you have been through all this and I am also sorry to sound so dismal about thjis but my truly horrendous experience over the last couple of years makes me want to warn you about what you seeing at this school.

The fact is that this school do not look like they want to help and a statement will only force them to do things that they do not want to do and it will be a constant battle for you.

It is pot luck whether you get a decent TA. My son's was useless and we ended up leaving school partly because he couldn't face the thought of her following him around for the next 3 years.

I think, although a TA can make a difference, even a good TA in a school that doesn't want a child, cannot change your experience of the school as you cannot expect a TA to stand up for your child if the ethos at school is against this.

Look elsewhere. You have learnt already that putting things in writing upsets defensive schools and being reduced to writing everything down is not good for healthy working relationships but it is very necessary when you don't trust the people dealign with your child.

FickleFreckle · 24/07/2011 21:02

Oh you lovely people, you have helped clarify things for me and yes, I do want to homeschool ds, at least until September when I hope to have found a different school for him.

I do worry about the toll on me but I just do not think ds is ready to go into year 1, end of. If I homeschool him for a year I reckon I can make up some of the ground. As I said in the meeting, I feel ds never got a chance to finish the work of the toddler years due to his issues at that time and his having a late summer birthday. Then as a result he also never managed to work through reception development properly. Putting him into Year One is just going to compound the problem. The poor lad needs a good long breathing space and time to develop physically and emotionally with an education which is completely tailored to him rather than an exhausted teacher trying to devise IEP's on the back of the hundred other things she has to do that week and getting defensive and angry if anything about her hard work is questioned.

Lambskin your homeschooling sounds lovely, don't let my dd get wind of it or she will pitch up on your doorstep with her pillow in one hand and a stolen pack of biscuits in the other!

Coff33pot it is the not getting a break I worry about, but then I can't help thinking that anything has to be better than the constant brooding and worrying and the lurch in my stomach going into school. I am also thinking that I can spread the load as you say, for example giving my dh some responsibility for science and maths and PE at weekends. Another factor is that I have dd in the afternoons anyway and she is not the "play quietly by yourself" type, but fortunately in some ways her development is only a bit behind ds or even ahead and so there is a lot I can do with them together.

BTW, Coff33pot, I've just spotted the thread from Saturday when you were having an awful time - and here you were consoling me as well, that's so sweet of you. Are things better now? I could identify with what you were saying about feeling guilty about losing your temper - we are all supposed to be such saints but honestly I defy ANYONE to stay calm all the time. At least your son trusted you and was able to communicate the real reason to you which is a tribute to your relationship and made me think that there always is a reason behind a meltdown, isn't there? (I think I may be hijacking my own thread here Grin)

appropriatelytrained you have hit the nail on the head, I don't want ds to have support grudgingly given, because it will not be quality support. I know I seem pedantic and tedious to them but the fine detail with ds really is important and you do have to analyse things and really think about it, or else you don't get anywhere. I suppose I seem unreasonable to them but what else can you do if your son is at risk of being excluded?

I do wonder about the other children with autism the school claim they have successfully included. What is different with ds? It makes me doubt myself a bit.

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coff33pot · 24/07/2011 22:14

Evening FickleFeckle Smile and thanks for hijacking your own thread to ask about me Smile

Truth be know it is a stressy night and a long story but I got broad shoulders and the peace of children snoring away is about to arrive Grin DH got it in the neck the poor chap but I guess he got broad shoulders too!I was working all day and came home to organised chaos and took the high road which was unfair so a big hug and kiss for him later.

Now back to you! And good for you on the home schooling! I am sure you will be fine. Yes there is no break but you wont be so stressed in school battles and your DS wont either so at least all that tense stuff will disapear.

Home Ed needent be forever and your DS I am sure will benefit from a rest for the 12 months to catch up. There is loads of stuff on the internet that can make learning fun. Memory games, maths games and childrens history. DS and I were into Egypt and there was a whole lot of stuff to do for kids right down to dot to dots and models to make. If I had a mad day with people coming I took his maths/science into the kitchen and had him weighing out cooking bits and then did a sheet on the side and we did a which is heavier/lighter questions whilst I was cooking. We made biscuits and then he measured them after they had cooked when I washed up. It doesnt have to be a strict regime of sitting at the table all the time. After all it is known fact that kids learn more through play xx All I did was insist from early morning the table was free for a reading time/writing and spelling. He was left outside to play in the garden or a ds game of his choice for 15 mins in between as his attention span is short but he treated it as school playtime iyswim. We always had dinner at 12 so he knew by the clock how much he had to do before lunch. After that then it was play learning. Even down to discussing pairs with the socks I was ironing Grin It is amazing how much they can learn through your housework hehehee

You will do well I am sure x

tryingtokeepintune · 25/07/2011 04:20

Hello FickleFeckle,

There is a HE-SEN group you can join and the members there seem to give really good advice. I was thinking about HE at one point when ds was school refusing.

Anyway, wanted to say that you could probably cover the amount of work your child does for the whole school day within an hour of 1:1 teaching at home. I found that we did so much more on those days when he missed school. If you take into account the wasted time - assemblies, break-times, children messing around and TAs organising things etc, you realize how little time is spent actually teaching. Example, a half hour swimming lesson takes tje school 2 hours when I can do it within 1. For NT children, the amount of time spent standing around is probably useful in terms of developing communcation skills but for my ds, that time was wasted - he stood around waiting with his TA who was not engaging with him but instead trying to organize the other children. When school's topic was transport, they had ds colouring in wheels of tractors and cars; at home we talked about how we could get one place to the next - bicycles for the next village, coach and ferry for the school trips, scooters to school, airplanes for far away countries etc.

Our school told me how they successfully included another autistic child. I later found out from the child's mother that they used to call her in when they had trouble eg. when they could not find her son in the small school. She also told me how afraid she was cos they hinted that her parenting skills were not up to scratch and she thought they were going to suggest taking her ds away from her. Her child also achieved Level 2 in the SATS when he left at Yr. 6. All this when I was finally fed-up of being made to feel I was the reason the my ds was having trouble with school.

I am sure you will be a success at HE.

Lambskin · 25/07/2011 07:48

Hooray! You won't regret it Grin

I was recommended some books about HE which you may or may not find useful,

Home Educating Our Autistic Spectrum Children
Paths are Made by Walking
Edited by Terri Dowty and Kitt Cowlishaw

Free Range Education
How home education works
Edited by Terri Dowty

They are written by parents/HE and cover legal stuff, personal stories, and resources, and are quite fun.

The website Muddle Puddle is good for project ideas, and BBC bitesize for Key stage 1/2 games.

Anyway I'm just starting out so have loads to learn myself - the HE board on here has been invaluable.

Lambskin · 25/07/2011 13:04

Just to add, I'm currently planning 'curriculum' of sorts for September and am using a book called The Everything Homeschooling Book by Sherri Linsenbach. It's American but seems really good and clear with topics in small chunks so it is easy to get information from.

Starchart · 28/07/2011 12:30

Fickle,

Just read about your meeting. Feck! You are extremely articulate in your writing. I wouldn't be surprised if they are treating you they way they are out of fear.

Take someone with you next time and if you have the facility, leave your record facility on your phone by accident which you can use to make notes from, or if you want to, write to them to clarify that they find you taking notes VERY offensive so you are happy to record the meeting next time, especially if you sell it as a SN issue of your own. I would prefer overall, an open recording because they will deliberately self-monitor and you might get a better meeting.

I think, that you MUST get them commenting on your writing put in a letter to them to ask them to explain or clarify that that is what they said. It will stop them from doing that in future.

PLEASE know that you are not the only one to have gone through that type of meeting. Not telling you to underplay what has happened, but to let you know that it isn't personal.

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