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Teodorescu Write from the Start

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nenevomito · 03/05/2011 13:08

As part of my DS's EP assessment they've recommended that the school use the Teodorescu Write from the Start programme to help him with his fine motor skills for writing.

I've had a look on Amazon and it seems recommended for ASD (which is what they suspect). Does anyone have any experience of using it? Is it worthwhile for me buying for home as well as school?

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IndigoBell · 03/05/2011 13:46

It's a workbook to work through (page a day type thing) - so no point in getting one for home.

It's designed to help writing problems caused by visual perception problems. And works best for children aged 4 - 8.

As always, if you think your child might have visual perception problems get them checked out by a behaviour optometrist......

It's a pretty standard thing to recommend for a child with handwriting problems. And in no way implies they actually have visual perception problems.... ( ie as you know EPs recommend the same things for all kids...)

bochead · 03/05/2011 16:54

It's the "standard" way ALL Romanian children are taught to write & I like it, (currently using it with DS). It takes you through ALL the stages involved in learning to write from the very basics and doesn't skip any steps, it's very methodical. It's systematic and addresses pencil control and line formation thoroughly.

However it won't replace OT intervention if that's what is needed - it will however make it much easier to identify where exactly that OT intervention should be targeted. It makes progress much more measurable and issues much more identifiable. My OT is all for it for this reason alone - her time is rationed like most on the NHS, and anything that helps get the most out of those OT appointments is great. My ASD son is finding it far less confusing than the writing tuition at school was, but I honestly don't know if that was just a poor school iykwim & he has definate co-ordination problems. I couldn't say how others would find it. I think for my lad though it's been a great investment - so much so I'm waiting for a Romanian maths pack to arrive via friends this summer - their systematic approach gels for him.

I've been told that a normal non sen Romanian child who starts doing this method for a standard hour per day is expected to be writing fluently within 12 months. It is worth noting that most ordinary kids over there start this system at age 7 & are writing fluently by 8 as that is standard practice over there.

I've compared it directly to the Romanian school system as that's where it's derived from (- my friends have laughed and said this guy's earned himself a fortune for doing what is standard to them) so you can see what progress, at what age a neurotypical child of average intelligence would progress using it.

IndigoBell · 03/05/2011 17:49

BocHead - how does Write From The Start help OTs? Is it by working out which exercises a child struggle with?

StarlightMcKenzie · 03/05/2011 17:50

I don't know anything about it at all, but I suppose any systematic approach makes it extremely clear what a child struggles with, and once you know that you can target your intervention.

IndigoBell · 03/05/2011 17:58

Not sure it's that simple. An OT can only prescribe Occupational Therapy.......

The workbook covers various 'mark making' exercises - and does no letter formation stuff at all.

So it starts with drawing dots, then progresses onto various lines and other shapes.....

And then it does stuff about drawing inside a circle, drawing outside a circle etc.

So (not knowing much about OT) I'm not sure what this would tell an OT, that they couldn't tell quicker by doing a 5 min assessment of their fine motor skills....

StarlightMcKenzie · 03/05/2011 18:18

Oh you're probably right. OT is another world to me, and I don't really understand it.

nenevomito · 03/05/2011 18:37

Thanks all for your replies. I'll have to see if the school take up the EPs suggestion and then see if it makes a difference to his writing.

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madwomanintheattic · 03/05/2011 18:56

indigo - it's quite similar to the whole retained reflex thing in the going back to the start and re-learning/ doing everything idea (so that you work through the bits you might have 'missed'.) so starting from mark-marking and progressing through different activities all moving towards handwriting. it's not an assessment tool, but ot's use it a lot as a programme to help with the fine motor issues/ handwriting stuff. (the partner - is it lois addy? is actually an ot and helped devise it in conjunction with the teodorescu chap)

as others have suggested, it's a series of exercises that are supposed to be done in order at frequent intervals, so it isn't something that you can dip in and out of at home (unless you are doing so in conjunction with school or whoever is running the programme). it takes about a year, usually, to work through the entire programme, but it is faster if you do more activities at a time/ less interval between, obviously.

if you are going to buy one for info, i'd suggest ordering a new one through the dyspraxia foundation. i found out the hard way that amazon rarely stock it, and all the marketplace ones are second hand and either incomplete or already completed.

i actually quite like it as a programme. it seems very slow, but like retained reflex therapy, it takes a while to get used to the fact that you have to re-do very basic movements etc, and in order of development, before you get to the bits that are problematic. it's human nature to want to say 'why are we working on crawling when i want him to be able to walk and run?!'

there is an accompanying parent handbook thingy that explains the programme, if you don't get given one and they are going to use it, then give me a shout and i might be able to find ours (have a whole stack of fine motor books somewhere, so can't promise - i can never seem to find the one i'm looking for)

op, if the ep thinks that your ds has fine motor difficulties generally, then an an ot referral would actually be more beneficial than just recommending a programme (ep's aren't occupational therapists, so wouldn't usually be speaking from a position of authority on such matters - more of a braod brush approach). after a more thorough assessment of actual difficulties, the ot would be able to put a more tailored support programme in place. it may not just be writing programme that would be beneficial per se, but an ot would look at seating (some children use wedges or wobble cushions etc) or even a writing slope, or a whole variety of different pencil grips etc. there are also lots of exercises (not writing exercises, more of the basic strengthening variety) that might be helpful.

but write from the start is a fairly usual package for handwriting difficulties.

bochead · 03/05/2011 21:49

I've agreed to work through it properly at home and because it starts at the 1st stage developmentally and covers ALL the steps to letter formation very carefully and in the correct developmental order.

My lads schools never did this and I personally wasn't satisfied with this as DS has co-ordination issues. He wanted something to do alone at home as he's aware & upset he's behind his peers - this for us is satisfying his need. It's horrible as a Mum when your kid becomes aware of difference in this way.

I think the OT expects we'll get to a point where DS gets "stuck", and that's the point at which she can step in. In the meantime she can concentrate on the sensory issues which make DS's life a misery at times ; )

You don't jump straight into letter formation - DS is still on book one which starts with the simplest controlled marks on paper such as lines going up, lines going down, little even shaped eggs in a clockwise direction, the same in an anticlockwise direction etc. He skipped through drawing circles etc at nursery, this is retracing those steps far more systematically. Letters themselves are really only addressed in book 2 in a way I'd recognise from what DS did at school.

Please bear in mind I'm only a Mum trying to explain it, and have no idea about what OT's do, retained reflexes etc. I like it but honestly think it might bore some kids stupid in the early stages. I got my copy off amazon with no problems, including the teachers guide.

IndigoBell · 03/05/2011 22:01

Sounds good. Hope it works for you both.

My DS hated it and I let him give up (that was the 'old me' Grin who didn't have a clue what was wrong with DS and his school)

But I do know it works for lots of kids.

If DS would admit that he has a problem with his writing I would try it again like a shot - but he doesn't see anything wrong with his handwriting.

So instead we do a lot of OT with him designed to improve his handwriting - and school are doing the other popular handwriting program with him (on my insistence suggestion Wink ) - 'Speed Up'

tryingtokeepintune · 03/05/2011 23:14

My ds has an OT to help him with his fine motor skills and other sensory issues.

However, I find that school was going about it haphazardly (in my opinion)- doing various exercises and trying to fit it in when they remember or when they have the time - as it is not in his timetable when I asked to see it. They are just not very organized.

I bought the book and 'lent' it to the school and now at least I know that they do the exercises everyday. I can see an improvement with with his handwriting. I know that they also do his other OT exercises so I see this as an additional to the OT recommendations.

madwomanintheattic · 04/05/2011 05:12

'speed up' is supposed to be quite good. there are a few music based ones now (primarily designed to improve fluidity and speed) which are quite fun Grin i can see they might drive you bats used on a daily basis though...

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