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Maybe ASD, maybe ADHD, maybe nothing, maybe something Aaargh!!!!!

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geeandfeesmum · 24/04/2011 11:04

Ok, this is my first time posting on here so please bear with me. DD has always been different. DH and I have always said that she's not normal ( oh god that sounds awful). Her behaviour has always been wild. She jumps and climbs and throws things. She doesn't really sleep. Maybe slept 2 nights in her own bed all night. She does weird things like eating soap and putting things on her head or in her hair. From when she was born, she has always been extremely clingy to me. She cried for the first eleven months constantly unless I was holding her, day and night. Of course that was fun for the relatives that looked after her when I went back to work. After she stopped having milk she seemed to cry less. She never really liked it anyway and was often sick after it. She is still clingy though and follows me everywhere I go. She can cope at the relatives houses that she is at regularly during the day and she is at preschool as well. I don't take her to the preschool so that might help her with that.

We took her to A & E when she appeared to have a reaction to the antibiotics she was taking. I'm still not entirely sure that it wasn't a tantrum although what it was about I still don't know. The doctor we saw obviously had concerns as he asked a lot of questions about her behaviour and her speech etc. Whilst we were the tantrums finished and she was going crazy trying to run up the halls of the ward, we wouldn't let her so she had another tantrum and was throwing herself on to the furniture etc. The doctor reffered us to the paediatrician. The paediatrician mentioned ADHD on the first visit but she wouldnt be willing diagnose that as she is so young (3.2 at the time, 3.8 now). She also prescribed Melatonin for her sleep issues, but I've been reluctant to use it as yet. On the follow up visit she mentioned ASD and gave me some websites to check out. She also said she would like to arrange a multi agency meeting to discuss it but I'm not sure what that means.

I mentioned the comment about ASD to her Early Years teacher and she said it has crossed her mind as well. She wants to arrange Statutory Assessment and hopes that the EP will suggest it after preschool visit but I haven't heard anything from her at all. Her preschool are concerned about her and feel she will need extra support in school. At her parents evening they basically begged me not to send her to special school. I hadn't even thought of it as an option. They also suggested deferring her from school for a year. She will be a very young 4 when she starts school in September. But then her preschool teacher seems keen to downplay her issues as well as they "don't want her to be labelled". I just want her to get the help she needs.

I feel kind of odd about the whole thing as well. ADHD has been on my mind since day 1ish. But, ASD, well that?s something new to me. I have read up on it and I'm still a little unclear as to where she fits in.

She has no issues at all with eye contact, certainly not with myself or people she knows. I'm not sure where she stands with that with people she doesn't know.

Her imaginative play is very good indeed. She plays with dolls all the time, almost exclusively, she occasionally uses toothbrushes as doll substitutes (I can't tell you how many times we have had to by new toothbrushes. It is at least once a week lol).

She loves to dress up. She pretends to drink from a toy cup after pouring pretend tea. The other day, she lapped up her drink as if from a bowl on the floor and then she came over and said "woo Woo" which is Woof Woof.

She still doesn't really play with other children. She prefers to do her own thing and will usually push other kids away if they try to join in. She has played alongside one child in the same area at preschool, but the child is apparently extremely patient with DD and if DD wants something she has, she gives it to her and if DD wants her to go away she does.

She still kicks, bites, punches people. She also kisses random strangers.

She has regular tantrums if things don?t go the way she wants. She still doesn?t seem to be able to sit still for long although, she did recently let me read a short book to her when I added interactive bits into it.

She can match colours and can point as if to count but doesn?t say the colours or numbers.

She is still very clingy towards me and it took a while to get her settled at preschool. Once she had attached herself to a certain teacher she got better with it. I don?t take her to preschool, my family do, so I?m not sure if she would be ok with me leaving her. Once we get to preschool to pick her up she just attaches herself to me the whole time.

She still has sleep issues. She will sometimes fall asleep at around 8ish though which is an improvement. Even now, she still wakes up and gets into our bed. I have tried the usual sleep tactics. A few nights ago, I attempted to keep putting her back in her own bed each time. I lost count after 150. She thought it was a game. It went on from 11pm-1:30am. I eventually fell aseep in her room and she did too. At 4:15 she came into our room. I would have tried the same again but we had to be up at 6am so by the time she would have gone to sleep we would have been up.

She is still not potty trained. I have tried leaving her with nothing on, but she just holds it all day and then if she falls asleep, either at night or for a nap I will put a nappy (diaper) on her and she will do her business. She is quite happy to sit on the potty or the toilet but nothing ever happens. I don?t think she really gets the point although I have tried to explain it to her she doesn?t understand.

Anyway, I still don?t really know where we are. Clearly, she has issues. Clearly, she will need help at school. We are not currently sure why or what is the issue. We are not currently sure of the best course of action.

I?ve been reading up so much about ASD lately that I feel like I?m going crazy. On the one hand, it really does sound like DD. On the other hand, it sounds nothing like her. DD has always had great eye contact. She has always been fine with imaginative play. Although, she didn?t used to hug anyone but me, unless she instigated it. She now accepts hugs and kisses from others. She will bring toys to people. I have known her to point at things although it is rare. Her speech is improving as well. But then, there is something that is just not quite right about her. She does do weird things like putting stuff on her head, going cross eyed all the time, having meltdowns, really struggling with being separated from me. Her speech is still markedly behind. And there is just no way she will cope with school. Having said that, I?m shocked with how she copes with preschool but then again they work with her a lot. And they give her a lot of leeway on things. Her preschool teacher said that the other children are very patient with DD and that helps.

That just won?t happen at school. I almost wish they hadn?t mentioned ASD at all, then I wouldn?t be sort of pinning my ?hopes? on that, if it isn?t that at all. Is it that? Is it something else? Is it nothing? I really need to know soon otherwise I?m just gonna crack up!!

I don?t even really know how I feel about it all. I think on the one hand if she was diagnosed with ASD and/or ADHD it would be awful because of the obvious reasons but then I think I would feel relieved that it?s not just that I am a hopeless parent with no clue how to teach a child the basics and no clue how to discipline bad behaviour.

I guess I just wanted to talk it through with people who are not involved but may know from their own experiences some of the issues we are facing. Sorry this is so long and disjointed I am just getting it all out of my head.

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geeandfeesmum · 03/05/2011 16:48

You know, that is possible. She seemed quite nice if a little cagey (only because she hadn't written her report yet) and everyone else apart from the health visitor has seemed really helpful as well.

I just hope that the ball gets rolling now with everything ie diagnosis, statementing etc. From what I can tell it is a long winded process and we are only at the start of it.

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EllenJaneisnotmyname · 03/05/2011 19:14

She sounds very switched on. Great that things are progressing smoothly. The trouble is if you have had a poor experience you want to warn others to guard against it and it can make us sound overly pessimistic. No matter how good your EP is it's still hard when someone confirms what you were still hoping to be a mistake. Have Wine and ((((virtual hugs)))).

geeandfeesmum · 06/05/2011 06:48

Hi, I've had a letter from the paediatrician basically a copy of the letter she has sent to the other agencies asking them for a multi agency meeting. In it states that she has mentioned ASD and that she will start the pathway towards DXing that today. I'm not sure what that pathway is as she says she won't be seeing DD for another 4 months. On another note, DD had been seemingly imProving this last month. But she is going back to how she was again now. It's seems kike she can't sit still. We went for a meal since she has been coping better but she just kept climbing and throwing herself around and screaming and running off. It's not a new Place to her. She keep wriggling out of her car seat so we have to keep pulling over. I just feel like we can't go anywhere with her.

Anyway, minor whine over. Is there anything else I ought to be doing at this point?

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EllenJaneisnotmyname · 06/05/2011 17:26

Sounds like everything is in motion. Just keep your eye on the ball, make sure things haven't stalled. We've already recommended the Hanen book, haven't we? A wobble cushion for helping her to sit still? Have a lovely weekend.

geeandfeesmum · 06/05/2011 21:09

Thank you, you too :)

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geeandfeesmum · 07/05/2011 08:08

Hi,

Just popping in as I'm feeling a bit down in the dumps. DD had seemed like she was improving this last month. But we have attempted a day out recently. It was awful. She kept running away and didn't seen to want to do anything. We waited on a 4 minute queue for a ride. You would have thought we were torturing her. She loved the ride though and pulled a tantrum when it came to getting off. We went out for a meal and it was impossible because she was running away and climbing on the furniture. We ended up practically dragging her out kicking and screaming. Poor DS misses out on so much because of it and he doesn't really understand why (he's 4). We've got holidays booked that I just can't see working out. I'm terrified f flying with her after last time. Even if we manage to get there we won't be able to go anywhere or do anything or eat. I just wish I knew how to make things easier. DH is really down about it all as well. I can't talk to anyone we know because they just don't get it.

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mariamagdalena · 07/05/2011 18:43

Hiya. Reading your thread reminds me of how a day out always ended up a few years ago. Much teaching, some meds and a bit of maturity onwards we can now usually have a nice time. And because my expectations are more realistic now and I know the early signs of trouble, we can plan to avoid many of the hassles.

geeandfeesmum · 07/05/2011 21:36

Thanks it's good to know there is light at the end of the tunnel somewhere. It's been really difficult to do anything or go anywhere. I'm pleased to hear we may be able to do something to make it a little easier.

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geeandfeesmum · 11/05/2011 08:23

DD seems as though the good phase she was going through last month really was just a phase. She is more hyperactive than ever. Her sleeping which was imroving has gone downhill qgain but because she was improving when we saw the paediatricN she has recommended not to use the melatonin she gave last time since she has improved n her own, although now she is back to hiw she was. We picked her up from preschool yesterday and her teacher told us she had been very hyperactive and jumping off the slide. They had to bring her in so the other kids didn't do it. The rest of the day she played by herself with her dolls as usual. She didn't eat and wouldn't stay at the table.

I have always thought she was happy to play by herself but today she was apparently walking near some other children and then running away. Like she wanted to be with them but couldn't figure out how. DS was not there so she didn't have him to rely on today.

I just feel so sad for her.

DH keeps suggesting claiming DLA since the paediatrician mentioned it but I would have thought it would make more sense to wait until after the multi disciplinary meeting so she has a diagnosis.

We still haven't heard anything from the school d like them to go to. I emailed them a week ago. I don't know what to say if I ring them. I really don't want to send them to the school they got. It was our 3rd choice and I have only ever heard bad things about it. The Early Years Teacher and the EP both work closely with that school though so I feel like the kids were tied to this school from the start. We wanted to move when we had the kids in case they got sent to this school but we can't afford to. Everything just seems to be such hard work.

On the plus side DD's speech is improving and she is saying more and more words everyday.

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MadameSin · 11/05/2011 16:58

geeandfeesmum by the by .... with a letter of dx, many theme parks will issue you with a FastTrack pass to prevent long queues - there's got to be an 'up side' for us parents !! Smile

Chelseahandfull · 12/05/2011 22:20

I am not anything like an expert, so please check what next steps are, but I would advise you to push on with getting "into the system" whilst still in pre-school; there seem to be real advantages. Chase school for referrals (school action plus, education psych etc) and go to your GP and say you are concerned about her development - please can you have a referal to your child development unit. Plus, is she having speech therapy? If not, in our area at least you can self refer and get her assessed - there is no point in waiting on this area as many speech issues can be majorly improved pre-school.

Loads of luck with it all.

geeandfeesmum · 13/05/2011 16:44

Thanks, she is already seeing a community paediatrician who has said it is likely that it is ASD. She sees Early Years etc. She's on a waiting list for SALT. She isn't at school and the preschool whilst supporting the Ed Psych visit etc and stating to us that they have concerns aren't really actively doing anything with regards to referrals etc. It all seems to be the Early Years Support that are pushing for the Statutory Assessment etc.

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geeandfeesmum · 23/05/2011 10:29

We have now had the report from the Ed Psych through. It states that DD wasn't playing with the other children, gave limited eye contact etc. It stated that she appeared to have sensory issues. At the end of the report it stated that it was quite likely that DD showed autistic traits and it was likely that she lay somewhere on the autistic spectrum. It stated that she is highly likely to need addition al support in school and also recommend phased entry. I am currently waiting to hear about the multi agency meeting once a date is set.

I have the DLA forms but haven't done much more than read through them. Family members have said to get them filled in and that she is hard work and we would be entitled to it. Then, the same family members think that she will be fine once she can talk and that she is improving in a lot of ways.

I don't know what is best. Sometimes I think I am reading way too much into everything and that she will settle into school because she will have no choice. Then in the next breath, I wonder if she will end up having to go to special school because I honestly can't see how she will be capable of ha doing it. Even at preschool she no longer eats at the big table with the other children. Now, a handful of other children and DD sit around a small table to eat. When she is at preschool they have to play in the toddler play area because DD keeps jumping off the slide and the other children think they can copy her.

The family are bugging me with the whole "Ok, she misbehaves be ause she is autistic but when is she going to get over it."

She hasn't slept in days and yet she is a live wire in the daytime. 2 weeks ago she was saying "Momma" and touching me and "Baby" and touched herself. "Momma" appears to have gone but she still say "Baby" on occasion. She punted up to an airplane and said what I think was "flying" but I can't be sure. So if she can point and what not but still does all of these other unusual things., is she not autistic or is she just a milder autistic. Or is she just goi g to continue to get worse and worse.

I am sure the relatives are trying to be helpful but I can't understand why they can't see that she won't grow out of it. Or maybe she will and it's me that can't see it. Who knows?

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