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RockinSockBunnies · 04/03/2011 13:14

Saw another thread on here about social stories and we appear to have hit a brick wall with them at home.

DSS (aged 8, HFA, super bright but massive behavioural problems) has social stories read to him at home (from Carol Gray book). The problem is, whilst he needs help in all aspects of everyday life, he is very disparaging about the contents of the stories, telling us that he already knows all the information so why are we reading them to him. The point is, whilst he may indeed know what's expected of him (e.g. when in the classroom, you should listen to the teacher) he can't put it into practice at all.

Is it worth persevering with social stories in this context?

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Marne · 04/03/2011 13:22

I don't think they work for all ASD children Sad, dd1 is very similar (thinks she knows everything already), we used a social story when she was younger to teach her about personal space, all was ok at first and then she kind of made up her own story using her rules Grin, we find using 'role play' (acting out a situation with her) can help but again its only if she wants to listen and take any notice.

HelensMelons · 04/03/2011 14:11

Would he be more motivated with a reward type of system instead?

RockinSockBunnies · 04/03/2011 14:13

Reward system hasn't worked. The school have been trying it too, but he really isn't bothered about any kind of rewards. He has a number of obsessions at the moment - one being hieroglyphics, the other time, but we don't want to encourage these by giving them as rewards for him cooperating in other areas.

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bettyboop63 · 04/03/2011 14:35

my Ds is exactly the same rewards system hes now feel hes too old for and in a way i have to agree i cant aford they type of rewards he'd now like lol and the social stories well the other day we had a disaster of a day out and he told me after he didnt want me to do them again as im a liar as it didnt turn out the way id saidSad how bad did i feel as he was right AND he didnt have a good day at all i felt so guilty ive always given warnings of change and events but this didnt work out well at all and it was the first time id used social stories should i continue with them? and i find rewards all well and good but their comes a point when they start to ask for them in advance Confused

intothewest · 04/03/2011 14:49

Could you create your own ones with your son ,then he may feel he has ownership of the story -

moosemama · 04/03/2011 14:52

My ds is 8 and has AS and we have similar problems with social stories. Dh sees them as stating the obvious, because he knows the facts/rules and can recite them. Like your ds though, he's unable to apply them appropriately and put them into practice.

Ds is convinced he knows pretty much everything there is to know and there's not much we can teach him. Hmm It makes it so hard to deal with him when he takes this stance and obviously this is the sort of thing than comes across to others as arrogance and therefore often gets him into trouble.

To a certain extent, we've had to start telling him that we know it doesn't matter to him whether or not he follows the rules, but that he will upset or hurt other people if he doesn't and that's simply not acceptable.

I often find its best to explain things in terms of how he would feel if something happened to him, as obviously he can't relate to/understand how other people might feel as the result of a given situation. I explain to him that we all do our best to respect his special rules so that he doesn't get upset etc (typically AS, he has a world full of his own rules that no-one else is allowed to break) even though sometimes they can be very hard for us to remember and do and that respecting and sticking to his rules doesn't necessarily make us happy, but we do it anyway because we want him to feel safe and happy - therefore we expect him to try and do the same for everyone else.

I've also told him that just because he doesn't like or understand the need for a certain rule, doesn't mean he doesn't have to obey it, particularly when its a rule everyone has to abide by in order for us all be safe or get along.

At first I didn't think it was having any effect but we've carried on sounding like a stuck record and repeating it all to him and actually - fairy steps and all that - but I do think he's started to improve a bit, so maybe its starting to eke its way through.

Rewards don't really work all that well with ds either - like you, we prefer not to use his obsessions to reward him and anything else just isn't motivating enough.

What we have found works though is to use 5p pieces as a reward for certain things. We have a list of things he will get a reward for (written with rather than for him) and when he's saved enough 5ps he's allowed to spend them on whatever he likes.

His main obsession is his nintendo dsi and he does tend to save up for mini games that he can download from the nintendo wifi shop. We have a rule that he is only allowed to go online once a month and then only with dh (we have all the password and login details etc) to download a game - of course he can only do this if he's saved enough money as well.

This system does seem to be working for us at the moment. He loves seeing the 5ps building up in his money box and as it takes him quite a while to save up enough for a game, it doesn't feed his obsession too much, but it is still rewarding for him.

RockinSockBunnies · 04/03/2011 17:12

The 5p system sounds great, but DSS hates money and gives it away to people at any given opportunity. At the moment his main motivation is inventing his own language and writing system, both of which pre-occupy him and alienate him further from his peers.

Most of his behavioural problems seem to stem from sensory issues and stimming - shouting nonsense loudly and repeatedly whilst in class; not being able to sit still; spitting, licking, picking fluff from things as well as an inability to engage in the task he's supposed to be doing.

We're beginning an ABA programme so will see what comes from that, but good to know that social stories don't work for everyone!

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Ineedalife · 04/03/2011 18:55

We had a similar thing with Dd3 when I tried to introduce social stories, she even said " I am not going to look at it and you can't make me"!!

I did print a visual one off the net though to explain why she shouldn't shout at adults, this has worked quite well and we have it hanging up in the kitchen as a reminder.

Dd3 is very rule bound and we have some rule posters on the walls, my house looks like a classroom. We have found that everthing needs to be visual and very clear cut, any grey areaas either lead to panic or arguments.

I hope ABA works for youSmile.

Thecarrotcake · 05/03/2011 15:52

bit late to this thread but just to let you know that we also have had little success with social stories. Ds is too grown up for them, they are babyish, he knows everything already etc etc and so his list of why not to enter into even looking at them just got longer :(

so we then triedcomic strip conversations, which were met with " why are we bothering?".

So I made up a white lie about a child who was really struggling with things DS knows how to do. I then asked him if he would use his starwars figures to photograph the stages of the story and make a movie for the child, as he hated books, but loved starwars.

Well that got the reaction I wanted :)starwars and his figures are his obsession, along with computers, and it worked really well.

It sounds a bit complicated, but it seems to work for DS if he thinks he is helping someone else.

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