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So exactly what can we expect from Enhanced Early Year Action Plus?

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 11:49

From a nursery that has never accepted he has additional needs of any kind other than SALT?

Now it has been recommended by an Ed Psyche that he be placed on EEYAP, will they suddenly change their mind now they won't have to fund anything? Do they HAVE to register him on EEYAP?

What sort of things can I expect them to do to help him? At a meeting a couple of weeks ago nursery SENCo said that as she cannot see what his problems are, there is nothing she can do to help him. So I have no clue.

Anything else I should know about? Or a point in the right direction of where I can find out everything I need to know, before tomorrow would be great please :)

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 11:51

Should probably say I have printed out the form that she would need to request the funding, one copy with the advice notes on of what info she should tell them, and a copy with all advice notes erased, figured I'd try and corner her into doing the form tomorrow! I can only try!

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bigcar · 27/02/2011 11:57

sen cop section 4 explains what you should expect. It's action plus as presumably you have outside agencied involved? I think you may be in for a bit of a battle by the sounds of it, I think it's more of a question of what you expect them to do, and making sure they are fully aware of what his needs are. Unfortunately it's only a statement that provides any legal obligation for them to do anything.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 11:59

Thanks bigcar.

So that that mean that they don't HAVE to place him on EEYAP anyway?

Will pull the SENCoP out.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 12:00

Tut, sorry, that should be "So DOES that mean...."

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PolarEyes · 27/02/2011 12:01

My DS1's preschool (who were really good) went into a bit of flap when the Ed psych recommended he had 1:1 funding etc. He was also referred to the preschool specialist Teachers team and it was the Specialist Teacher that helped them get a plan together. Worth speaking to Ed psych and see if there is an outside agency they could refer to if you feel nursery are out of the their depth? Is the SALT helpful? He/she could help them draw up an IEP or similar document

PolarEyes · 27/02/2011 12:02

And yes being under SALT etc means he should be on Early Action plus or similar

bigcar · 27/02/2011 12:04

they have to place him on early years action plus as there are outside agencies involved. Would second what polar said about getting someone else involved who can see his difficulties.

EllenJane1 · 27/02/2011 12:12

There should be an area early years senco with the LA who will cover a number of nurseries in the private sector. She or he would be able to advise your unhelpful nursery's senco/owner. Good luck with it all NatalieJane.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 12:45

Ellen, yes there is, she happens to be best buddies with the nursery SENCo.

The nursery SENCo based a lot of her 'findings', and therefore her unhelpfulness, on a conversation she had with DS2 about reptiles. DS2 does not, even to this day, know what a reptile is.

It is as if because she doesn't believe it is ASD (which is a very possible truth) she is unwilling to see anything else.

Whatever is going on with him, what ever they call it, or don't call it, the fact is he needs extra help and support especially as he get's into school.

I have just read through chapter 4 of the SENCoP and then went on to read the relevent book in the SEN Toolkit. The bad news is that any and all extra help is at the nurseries descretion, but surely, from the Ed Psyche's report, the SENCo cannot still believe there is nothing going on with him. The EP's report has listed a few things she feels he would benefit from working towards, so if nothing else the SENCo has to at least do that, as a starting point?

I thought all of these people were supposed to be there for our kid's? That they are supposed to care? All I can see in my head is a picture of a poor little 4 year old boy, starting school, still in nappies, unable to dress himself after P.E., unable to hold a pen, doesn't even know which hand to hold the pen in, unable to understand half of what the teacher is saying, with no one there to give further explanations. Who will chage his nappies? What happens if he's in assembly and he has a poo? That poor kid will either have to raise his hand and tell the whole school he's had a poo, or sit there in it, letting all the kids around have a good old whiff and make their own mind's up. That is the sort of thing that will stick with him throughout his whole school life. I have said it before, I know, but we are going to end up losing him, and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it.

People say things like 'you won't lose him, you're fighting for him' etc. which is lovely, but it makes not a blind bit of difference, we could (and no doubt will) fight for him for the rest of his life, but if the professionals aren't listening, aren't willing to help, then it's out of our hands.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 12:46

Sorry meant to say Bigcar, he has had outside agencies involved since he started at nursery last November, they've never placed him on any register or anything of the sort.

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bigcar · 27/02/2011 14:45

your ds should have been on eyap from when he started and should have had an iep from then as well.

when is he due to start school? If it's september coming, have you considered applying for a statement? If you feel he needs one, then apply yourself using the model letter on ipseas site, don't wait for someone to tell you or offer as that may not happen.

there are some good professionals out there, honest. But, they have a lot of demands on their time and their budgets and it's best to keep this in mind when dealing with them. Don't wait to be offered something, ask for it and if you feel they are not following procedures, speak up.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 15:54

He is due to start Sept. coming.

We did apply for a SA back in November last year, they told us they couldn't make a decision because there wasn't enough evidence (at the time we had no back up reports from any professionals, he'd had all the referrals, but hadn't actually seen anyone.) So we mutually agreed to wait until February, to see if we had any reports by then.

I now have the EP's report, and he has seen the SALT in the last week so I'm expecting to get their report any day, as soon as we have it, I will apply for the SA again.

I am going to be speaking to the EP tomorrow, I am 99.99999% sure that there is nothing whatsoever to do with a statement in her report, but our HV seems to think there is, so I just want to 100% clear up that, and I will ask her as well about the chances of a SA.

I know damn well that the reason the nursery is saying they can't see anything is down to budgets, SENCo already told us that they get an extra 2p on top of whatever they would usually get for SEN pupils, and has made the point that there are other children more in need than DS2, to be frank, as selfish as it sound's, I don't care how much money it takes, time it takes, or about any of the other (I'm sure as deserving) children she has on her books, all I am worried about is my poor little boy being thrown into a situation where he just isn't going to cope, and they are not only doing nothing to help, they are actively standing in the way of help.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 27/02/2011 16:12

Do reapply for the Statement asap. Its the only way forward here; school will then see that your DS has additional support needs.

Early Years action plus is really not worth the paper its written on. Go all out for a Statement instead particularly if ongoing SALT support for your DS is needed.

EllenJane1 · 27/02/2011 16:13

Let us know what happens once you've had a chance to speak to the EP. Keeping everything crossed for you.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 16:47

Yes, the SALT said he has a comples speech disorder, but the waiting list for therapy could be "days, weeks, months".

I had applied for DLA so I could get him in private SALT, nursery were asked for a report, and despite having just had a mini-TAC type meeting with multiple agencies involved where everyone was under no illusions as to what we believe his problems are, the SENCo really stuck the boot in with "X is a normal 4 year old little boy, with behaviour you'd expect from a child of his age", so DLA was turned down. I have the appeal form sat in front of me, no idea whether it's even even worth the hassle, DLA will have us down as liars.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 16:49

Sorry, terrible typing today, complex...

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 27/02/2011 19:27

This SENCO you describe would not know arse from elbow and is anyway not at all qualified in any way to make such a pronouncement. Sounds like this SENCO does not want any additional work re your son hence her damaging denials.

Has your son seen a developmental paediatrician to date?.

Put in the appeal for DLA as well asap.

Good luck with the EP tomorrow. Do not forget either that EP is also employed by the LEA so may well be very cagey on the whole subject of statements or even try to put you off from applying for a Statement.

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 19:53

Yes, he saw the Paed (community Paed, not developemental AFAIK) in December, I asked for any report to be copied to me, haven't recieved one, she wouldn't get involved in the DLA (even though they asked for a report from her) because he doesn't have a DX. She referred to OT, Psychiatrist, Audiology and asked us to take him for an eye test.

Not heard anything from the OT. The Psychiatrist referral has somehow managed to morph into the referral for the Ed Psyche, although he already had a referral to the Ed Psyche, that was made by the HV, listed on the CAF, though now the HV is denying having made the EP referral (are you following?!) heard nothing from Audiology even though DS3 had a referral to Audiology beg. Jan. and had an apppointment a couple of weeks ago, and so all he has had was the eye test, which, along with the Audiology appt., was more so to rule anything out rather than that we had any concerns.

I will press on with the statement, and the DLA, neither of which will cause any harm. Problem is, the odds are so far stacked against us, and none of it matters, the chances of getting a fully fledged statement in time for Septemeber are so very fine, the dame will already be done.

I have seriously considered HE-ing him until he is either ready for school or the statement comes through, but I'm worried, if he isn't in school, they don't have a penny to pay, they're not going to do anything to help us out and get him in school if he's going to start to cost them time/money/resources are they?

It is just all basically shit rubbish!

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NatalieJane · 27/02/2011 19:55

Oh bloody hell, the DAMAGE will already be done...

What is wrong with me today?!!

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NatalieJane · 28/02/2011 12:57

Quick update: have just managed to get hold of the EP, deffo not a statement, though now he has the speech disorder DX she will back us for a SA.

HV very apologetic.

Nursery SENCo just returned my call, meeting her tomorrow morning, just hope I don't make a complete fool of myself and either cry or shout or both!

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EllenJane1 · 28/02/2011 13:51

So good news? If the EP is backing you for SA that is really good. The LA tend to take their recommendations above all others. Don't stangle the vile unhelpful Senco tomorrow.

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NatalieJane · 28/02/2011 15:02

Yes I think it's good news, well, no it is good news, just a long ol' way to go yet...

Story never changes does it?!

...Until I am in prison for murder or something!

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StarlightMcKenzie · 28/02/2011 15:26

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NatalieJane · 28/02/2011 17:09

Yep, logged and imprinted on my brain!

Am quite looking forward to tomorrow, have lots of thing to say to her, and she isn't going to like them one bit, what's more is she can't deny them, and she has to act on them.

Can't wait!

Will get on that letter to the EP tonight as well :)

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eandz · 01/03/2011 09:34

sorry to hijack, but figured I could ask here. Is there a list of all the steps listed for how nhs go about establishing if something is wrong?

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