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SEN Policy, is this right?

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DiscoBabe · 16/02/2011 19:39

My school/nursery's SEN Policy states that under School Action "a child will have an IEP plan, including a cover based document. This document forms an individual record for the child and contains information about the school based observation and assessment, a summary of the childs additional needs and action taken to meet them, including any advise saught from outside agencies"

Maybe i have misunderstood, I thought if advise was being saught from outside agencies this meant a child should be on SA+?

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bigcar · 16/02/2011 20:04

Yes, should be SA+ with outside involvement. What does it say for SA+?

moosemama · 16/02/2011 20:28

You are right. If the child is being given additional support from within the school, they would be on School Action, but once outside agencies are involved they should be moved onto SA+.

They should still have an IEP though and it would be appropriate in most cases for the outside professionals/agencies to have some input into the drawing up, monitoring and reviewing of that IEP - in an ideal world!

Ds is on SA+, has an IEP with regular reviews and both his Ed Psych and Inclusion Teacher attend the review meetings, along with myself and dh.

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DiscoBabe · 16/02/2011 20:43

SA+ is

"provision at this level always includes involement of specialist services. A variety of support can be offered by these services such as advice to the school about targets and strategies, specialise assessment or some direct work with the child. The specialist services will always contribute to the planning, monitoring and reviewing of the childs progress. SA+ would be indicated where there is evidence that the level and duration of the childs additional needs are such that the child: A child receiving support at SA+ will have an IEP. Monitoring will take place as for a child at SA and reviews will be at least on a termly basis. Provision will run concurrently with differentiated curriculum support.

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IndigoBell · 17/02/2011 12:55

They've always put my DD under SA instead of SA+, and I never understood why.

Not sure if it matters though?

bigcar · 17/02/2011 13:07

It doesn't sound like they're following the sen cop and differentiating on the amount of outside intervention. Are you having problems or was it just out of interest? Btw, just impressed you managed to get a copy of schools policy, it's very closely guarded round here

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DiscoBabe · 17/02/2011 13:27

Just looking out of interest at the moment but I believe my son should on on early years action plus. Having issues with them at the moment!

Well i asked only to be told they would have to find it, then was told it was on the school website (its not!) then asked again and they printed it out for me there and then. It could do with a spell check and some more full stops though :o. It was shared with a parent or two in the playground before i brought it home

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IndigoBell · 17/02/2011 13:32

Pick your battles.

Unless you think something will actually change by him being on SA+ instead of SA, just mention it but don't make an issue out of it...

(There are so many more important things to fight about...)

bigcar · 17/02/2011 13:43

agree with indigo about picking battles. I'd concentrate on getting the provision and support sorted rather than the wording, however frustrating

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DiscoBabe · 17/02/2011 13:45

I know what you mean about the battles Unfortunatly this whole issue seems to be a battle. Ds has been receiving SaLT since october and i discovered this wk his nursery have not been doing the work i have passed along to them. He's not on Early years action or EYA+, there is no IEP in place, bascially they have done nothing to support him or his individual needs

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bigcar · 17/02/2011 13:52

Ah, I see! Has the SALT been in direct contact with the nursery, if not, ask for her/him too. Is this a school nursery or private? If it's a school nursery I'd be having strong words with the senco about following the sen cop and asking for an iep (even though they are commonly know on here as individual empty promise!). If it's a private nursery they should still have an appointed senco but should be able to consult with LEA who will provide them with help to write IEPs and put help in place, they will have an early years person somewhere.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/02/2011 14:14

Discobabe,

How long has your DS been in this nursery?. I'd now be looking at others.

Even on SA plus there won't be anything of real substance in the way of SALT provision. You need a Statement for that and to be prepared for a long and hard fight with the LEA over SALT (it needs to be in both parts 2 and 3).

I would be now applying for a Statement from your LEA. You can do this even though DS is in nursery.

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DiscoBabe · 17/02/2011 14:38

Its a school nursery. I don't think SaLT has directly contacted them which seems to be the main issue and their main get out clause. All the work i do at home has been passed onto nursery though.

I am speaking to SaLT tomorrow to ask them to write to nursery to set out some very specific instructions for them! Also meeting with the schools SENCo tomorrow morning to discuss what they are going to be doing to support him from now.

He's been there since he was 3, he is off to reception after Easter. Its not easy to transfer as he has other siblings at the school i need to consider and he is VERY selective about who he speaks too and has a lot of confidence issues. I don't think moving him would be in his best interests, well unless this doesn't get sorted out anyway.

I'm in two minds over the statement, ds' needs aren't severe, he has some phonological difficulties and i'm hoping that in a year or so he will be dismissed from SaLT. By the time i got my hands on a statement it would probably no longer be needed. I suspect i'd be laughed out the room if i asked for a statement?

Arghhh i hate all this!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/02/2011 15:28

"I'm in two minds over the statement, ds' needs aren't severe, he has some phonological difficulties and i'm hoping that in a year or so he will be dismissed from SaLT. By the time i got my hands on a statement it would probably no longer be needed. I suspect i'd be laughed out the room if i asked for a statement?"

Disco,

re your comment above:-

Such difficulties can be apparant in the longer term, how is he going to manage at school particularly if the support is not there now?. You're doing your bit in passing on stuff but the nursery are not following it!. And likely have no intention of doing so.

Better to have such a document in place as well rather than trying to fight for one when he is in reception for instance. Its legally binding unlike anything else offered.

This whole sorry scenario is why I suggest you apply for such a document yourself and soon. They won't laugh at you, they'll likely just try and put you off from applying by saying that his needs are "not severe enough" to warrant it.
Do not listen to that particular brand of BS.

You are your child'e best - and only - advocate. Never forget that.

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