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OT and physio report received - inconclusive - what next?

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Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 05/02/2011 13:52

Very very long sorry.....

DS (aged 5.8) was referred to the CDC by school due to concerns with fine motor skills, poor balance and inability to sit on the carpet. we have had all sorts of issues as I have listed below against the Dyspraxia Foundation website - also provided to them during the assessment.

The report that I have received today doesn't really help as there is no diagnosis, no linking of behaviour and physical issues and they said that they will give him one OT session at school and then be discharged and leave the school and home to deal with his issues.

Where do I go next? I am already going to ask GP for referral to Behavioural Optometrist following recomendations on here. Should I also ask for a Paed referral as their recommendations don't feel that they are going to help me hugely esp with things like needing to go shopping, refusal to walk, tantrums etc

The report says:

  1. He behaved himself during the assessment
  2. Posture - He sits and slumps taking up all support offered to him - work on core stability
  3. Visual motor integration - percentile score of 4 on Developmental Test - below average
  4. Movement ABC - manual dexterity 37th, aimign and catching 50th and balance 27th = overall 37th percentile so average and no movement disorder is evident.
  5. Sensory Processing - They have noticed that they did not observe him being very fidgety as it was 1:1 with regular change of activity
  6. Daily living skills - difficulty with dressing, cutlery, wetting at night

Recommendations:

  1. Fizzy
  2. Caring Cutlery
  3. Support feet during meal time - will buy Tripp Trapp or similar
  4. Long loop scissors
  5. Continue to use move and sit cushion that I have already bought
  6. School to consider his position in class
  7. Regular breaks at school
  8. Use chunky pencils

My list of issues is
By 3 years old

Symptoms are evident from an early age. Babies are usually irritable from birth and may exhibit significant feeding problems.
Jacob was born three weeks premature. He had reflux from birth although he was breast fed. He was a difficult baby who required feeding very often and had to be propped up both in his cot and on the floor. He was not able to have tummy time as he would not tolerate it.

They are slow to achieve expected developmental milestones. For example, by the age of eight months they still may not sit independently.
Jacob sat independently at 8 months. Crawled at 12 months. Started to walk at 18 months. Started to speak at 24 months.

Referred to SENCO at nursery for behaviour issues including spitting

Pre-school children - 3 to 5 year olds

Very high levels of motor activity, including feet swinging and tapping when seated, hand-clapping or twisting. Unable to stay still
J cannot sit still on the carpet at school. He lies on the floor or rolls under the table. At home he finds it difficult to sit still at the table. He spins around or moves his legs around. He will often climb around on the settee at home.

High levels of excitability, with a loud/shrill voice
J often talks very loudly especially when tired and does get over-excited which often leads to being told off due to the volume or it getting out of control.
May be easily distressed and prone to temper tantrums
J has very bad temper tantrums which he finds it very difficult to get out of.

May constantly bump into objects and fall over
He knocks things over and stands on things that are on the floor. He trips over his own feet whilst out in the street quite often. He sometimes doesn't appear to know where his body is ? ie he will dig in with his elbows or knees when trying to cuddle us.
Hands flap when running
He tends to use just the right arm to run with and his gait when running is much more uneven than his friends.
Continued messy eating. May prefer to eat with their fingers, frequently spill drinks
He cannot use a knife and fork. He often eats with his fingers or just the fork in his right hand using his left hand to help the food onto his fork or spoon. He spills drinks which means that I normally give him a half cup. He will squeeze the carton of juice too tight sometimes so it spills everywhere.
Avoidance of constructional toys, such as jigsaws or building blocks
He is very good at puzzles but can't see the difference between the edge and middle pieces. He needs to find the pieces that look the same first.

Lego is very difficult for him to use the ?grown up? version as the pieces are very small but he enjoys it. Meccano is also very difficult ? even the junior version as there are too many pieces to hold and move and he has to have a lot of help.
Poor fine motor skills. Difficulty in holding a pencil or using scissors. Drawings may appear immature
J does not use the proper grip for a pencil. He cannot cut straight along a line with scissor and his drawings are very babyish and do not depict what he wants to draw.
Limited creative play
He has lots of action figures and toys but does not play with them very much at all ? despite wanting them at the time.
Isolation within the peer group. Rejected by peers, children may prefer adult company
J does not appear to have lots of friends but has a few that he appears to be closer to. He has one close friend (who has ASD).
Limited response to verbal instruction. May be slow to respond and have problems with comprehension
Jacob has to be reminded often what he needs to do. He initially understands the instruction but then due to lack of concentration he needs constant prompting. He talks over other people all the time.
Limited concentration. Tasks are often left unfinished
As above. Often forgets to wipe when going to the toilet.
Sensitive to sensory stimulation, including high levels of noise, tactile defensiveness, wearing new clothes
Hates having his hair or nails cut. Can't stand itching of the hair and says it hurts when he has his nails cut. At nursery, I sometimes took him to nursery with no clothes on as he refused to get dressed and had screaming tantrums. He hates shrill sounds such as a drill or loud hand-dryer. He often gets into a very over-excited/meltdown state in supermarkets (not sure what the stimulus is for this).

By 7 years old

Difficulties in adapting to a structured school routine
It appears so
Difficulties in Physical Education lessons
Having observed a PE lesson in the playground, he was unable to follow the instructions of the teacher including standing on the line or throwing the beanbag as he was meant to be.
Slow at dressing. Unable to tie shoe laces
Very slow at dressing. Clothes are often put on the wrong way round.
Barely legible handwriting
Yes
Immature drawing and copying skills
Yes
Limited concentration and poor listening skills
J gets in trouble for not concentrating on his school work which leads to him missing his golden time. Apparently he is now disturbing the rest of the class as the teacher has to spend so much time with him.
Inability to remember more than two or three instructions at once
Yes. Leads to activity not being completed without prompting or lists. J often writes lists at home (on his own doing) of what we need to complete that evening/day.
Slow completion of class work
Yes
Continued high levels of motor activity
Yes
Hand flapping or clapping when excited
Tendency to become easily distressed and emotional
Problems with co-ordinating a knife and fork
Yes ? he cannot do this at all. He eats with just an implement in his right hand and uses his left fingers to assist.
Sleeping difficulties, including wakefulness at night and nightmares
Waking at night to urinate despite reducing drinks in the evening. Often wets himself. He needs to have a set routine at night otherwise he is not able to settle ? rhis makes it diffiult to take him out in the evening. Has to have a potty in his room as often wets himself on the way to the downstairs toilet. Too big for potty so then wets floor.

Walking ? J finds it difficult to walk any longer distances and often refuses to walk meaning that he has to be carried as we no longer have a pushchair. He says that walking hurts his legs and feet and also makes him very tired.

Bathroom ? J frequently makes a huge mess in the bathroom, pouring whole bottles of shampoo etc into the bath and pouring water all over the floor

Lights ? J constantly turns lights off in the house despite being told not to.

Bike ? He is terrified of the balance sensation without the stabilizers or even if the stabilizers are raised a bit

Tantrums - He often gets out of tantrums or apologises by writing me a letter.

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Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 07/02/2011 12:34

Will see if they will see us then Summerrain. I will try anything that helps!

The teeth grindin is called Bruxism. I found you an organisation

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auntevil · 07/02/2011 13:42

Those laces look great - even if DS doesn't like them - as you've got to be really cool at 8 Hmm - i like them and it would save time in the morning for me! Grin

SummerRain · 07/02/2011 13:52

I think I should buy some of those for myself tbh.... I wreck my runners shoving my feet in and out of them without untying laces Grin

thanks for the link ben10..... dp has a dentists appointment soon i think so i'll get him to ask our dentist if there are any mouthguards suitable for kids ds1's age.

Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 07/02/2011 16:48

I want some too. I actually found them for me when I was running when I kept tying my shoes too tight Blush DS is only 5.5 so we don't need to be cool yet so velco all the way here until he has to be cool!

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Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 07/02/2011 16:49

velcro Blush

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feynman · 07/02/2011 21:52

Hi again, I think we only got the statement as I refused to listen to pre-school, ed physc etc who told me there is no way he would get one. My son does have a severe speech disorder as well though. We got the statement of grounds of his needs being complex (i.e across several areas) rather than severe in one area if that makes sense. If you want any advice of going down this route there are loads of people on here who can help. Interesting you mention about the shouting and not wispering. My son also does this, he is unable to whisper or lower his voice at all. I'm not sure if it's just a speech thing but I always suspected it's to do with his sensory issues.

goingroundthebend4 · 08/02/2011 16:02

hmm you can get Ot in statement but you need to proove will affect educationaly so struggles with fine motor means problems with handwriting , trip trap so heres a need for supportive seating to enable him to write and sit better

poor core stablity well argument for this is will affect how he works as will tire if no support which affects ablity to do schoolwork

goingroundthebend4 · 08/02/2011 16:04

ds now has half temley visits from ot in his statement after bit of arguing its all in how its worded also has 3 times week program in as well as equipment

word it to say how without it his education will be affected

Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 08/02/2011 17:29

Thanks GRTB

Have spoken to OT today re gaps in report (IMO). Apparently a lot of the issues inc sensory, walking, diagnosis, wetting need to go through the Paediatrician. Can't see that we are going to get a huge amount out of NHS OT apart from one school visit before they discharge him. Have asked for more at the school visit than just going through the exercises that they want him to do as his behaviour with 1:2 ratio was obviously going to be different than 30:1 in the classroom.

Think that the private OT route will have to be taken and then will have to try the SA route. Can see opposition from the SENCO but will get Parent Partnership on board with me.

I have learnt so much from you ladies compared to the "professionals" and will be eternally grateful........

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feynman · 08/02/2011 22:12

I think you are doing the right thing. Oh and you don't need the senco onboard (I guess it does help though). But my sons ht and senco told me that they couldn't support an application for a statement as they didn't see that his needs were that severe. I just said fine and applied myself. It didn't stop him getting a statement! I think it may be easier to apply whilst they are at preschool as they have to consider the parents evidence as just as important as schools.
See the ot see what they think they apply for the SA.

oddgirl · 09/02/2011 09:10

We did the same as feynman-applied for a statement independently-I am also sure its because DS has multiple moderate needs in many areas. Dont be put off by anyone else-it was a fight to get a statement and became my full time occupation for a while but was so so worth all the tears and frustration.
HTH

Ben10isthespawnofthedevil · 09/02/2011 09:40

Thanks ladies!

Can imagine the SENCO's feathers being ruffled now when the SA request comes through! Is it wrong that it tickles me to think that Grin

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