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Social difficulties causing a drop in test scores?

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Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 13:13

If a child's wide range ability test standardized scores drop ( from one test to a subsiquent test some time later).. After intervention had been put in place..
yet Cognative ability tests are still high.

Could the cause be social.. I have one research paper that looks at social success and educational outcome..

But I want to ask you folks if you know of any papers that look directly at standardized WRAT 3 scores and social success... Or reasons why scores would decrease even with intervention.

if anyone understood what I'm getting at and you happen to have a link I'd be very very greatful.

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moosemama · 05/02/2011 15:24

Just having a quick google for you carrot.

Found this reply to a mother's question posted online. It doesn't mention the WRAT, but does mention a guy Dr Sheldon Horowitz? who has written several papers on the subject of learning issues and social skills, so it might be worth looking him up.

This article makes several references to the importance of social skills and social skills training in academic achievement.

This is about an American study that found that increasing social skills showed a commensurate increase in academic achievement. They list the top ten skills required for academic success and they are pretty much the ones that our dcs struggle with.

This abstract actually states that no reasearch has been done in this area, but that its likely that improving social skills will improve academic achievement. They are calling for more research to be done.

Found lots of stuff online saying that IQ tests such as WRAT and WISC are poor predictors of academic outcomes for children with ASD and that was what we were told when ds had his WISC test.

Do you think there could be anything else contributing to the drop in scores? I only ask because we've only recently discovered that ds has visual motor problems and this seems to be more of an issue for him in juniors, as it went completely unnoticed in the infants, but has been picked up by several people recently.

Also, was the test done under exactly the same circumstances, with the same person etc? We were told that each test is just a snapshot of how the child can perform on that day and can be down to environment, emotional state, tiredness etc.

Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 15:49

Thanks moose :)

no the tests were done with different people in different environments.. however in theory in three years with interventions inbetween in place there is noway they should have dropped 15/20 standardized points.

The only thing new to ds is we are now also being assessed for ADHD / ADD ( poor kid!)
but his social success had plummeted.. And these areas aren't being targeted at school...

You can see where I'm going with :)

I spent last night searching for papers that may explain a drop in WRAT scores even though intervention has been in place .. But I couldn't find anything.

On a slightly different point ds2s CAT scores are similar to ds1s and the mean score only being 1 point away... And ds1s ( NT) predictions for GCSE achievements seem to be totally in line.

Both boys are dyslexic.. Only ds2 is ASD.. They have very similar IQs .. They grow up with the same parenting and support and educational expectations from family etc etc.. Ds1 looks online to walk away with at least 7 A-A*s.
Ds2 is seriously under performing academically.

( although they are very very different people and I don't normally compare...:))

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cornsilk · 05/02/2011 15:55

which sub-tests did the scores drop in? Did any improve?

Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 16:03

Maths stayed almost the same... Huge drop on Reading and spelling

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cornsilk · 05/02/2011 16:06

what intervention does he have? that does sound worrying. Could he have been having a bad day? Is he anxious about tests at all?

Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 16:17

The list of intervention is looooong :o but basically it's all dyslexia based... 1:1, small groups, sound units mind-mapping etc etc ( they usual stuff really).. Socially not a lot of help.. Processing information.. Again not a lot...

And actually I'm really quite worried.
Particularly as he has improved soooo much at home..I n most areas ( barring sleep)..

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cornsilk · 05/02/2011 16:42

could he have just been really anxious about the test?

cornsilk · 05/02/2011 16:46

what did school say they are going to do as a result of it? They could retest him - there are 2 different test booklets with Wrat3 - tan and green I think.

IndigoBell · 05/02/2011 16:49

Is his primary dx Dyslexia or something else?

How old is he?

Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 17:00

He may have been anxious or just having an off day.
School haven't said anything.. The only reason I know is because I was fine toothing new IEP and review reports.. School keep saying how he had improved!

Yes indigo as far as school are concerned his primary need is dyslexia.. Which he is making improvements in.. Social communication, sensory has hardly been targeted at all.

I am trying to get an SA as we speak ( 1 week to go until I hear).. School aren't supporting it...

Paed and camhs have both been involved with school trying to get his needs met...

But I only got this paper work with the scores on Thursday!

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Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 17:01

Sorry indigo he is 12

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cornsilk · 05/02/2011 17:07

can't believe that school are saying that he's making progress unless they have a set of different results that they are using.

Thecarrotcake · 05/02/2011 17:17

corny.... They kindly put it in writing!

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moosemama · 06/02/2011 20:28

Carrot,

Can't seem to get a link to work without my laptop launching the damn pdf, but I came across a canadian journal/research article today that might help you a bit.

Its actually about EBD, social skills and academic achievement, so of itself its not relevant to your ds, but all the way through it cites other academics who have done research that backs up the link between strong social skills and academic achievement.

Wasn't sure if you'd be interested, but if you are just put:

SEVERITY OF ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AND
SOCIAL SKILLS DEFICITS
Elana L. Bloom, Anastasia Karagiannakis, Jessica R.
Toste, Nancy L. Heath, & Effie Konstantinopoulos
McGill University

into Google and it will throw up the link.

I love a good Google me. Wink

Thecarrotcake · 06/02/2011 21:14

Mooose!!! Thank you

I was praying to the googlegods last night and came up with a study ( ADHD based).. That studied WRAT scores and low social success.... And then ds cleared my blooming history!..

I love a good research porn session too lol

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