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Too old for SALT..at SIX?The world gone mad

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AlysWho · 04/02/2011 09:32

Another reminder of this governments HUGE betrayal and let down -taking away speech and language therapy to children over 6 years old???

BBC news article

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willowthecat · 04/02/2011 09:53

Ds has never had any speech therapy to take away. From age 3 til 5 there was a routine annual assessment which resulted in no specifc advice or any follow up. In our case I think we were written off from the start due to autism dx

baileyandtinks · 04/02/2011 09:58

i was sent with DH at 4 to see them they saw us once and sent us on our way no follow up no advice just ohh DS will improve hes just late Confused

lisad123isasnuttyasaboxoffrogs · 04/02/2011 09:59

what a croc!!

AlysWho · 04/02/2011 10:21

The thing that got me is the PM's sincerity in his message

'You have to amke the fight'

yep thanks for the reminder.

I do believe it was probably slightly easier for the Cameron's to 'make the fight' with a middle class oxbridge education, family wealth and connections in high places though.

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BriocheDoree · 04/02/2011 10:23

I'm beginning to feel trapped in France! Some of our family would like us to come home to the UK but here we get bi-weekly speech therapy, weekly optometry, TEACCH trained one-to-one in school, ed psych assessment every term by ASD and TEACCH trained psychologist...
And FRANCE is supposed to have a bad reputation for treating autism. That is just crap. Poor kid! DD is 6. I know ASD kids that haven't even spoken until they were six!

NotJustKangaskhan · 04/02/2011 10:42

This is ridiculous - my son is 6, has speech therapy (though been on break since the holidays as we wait in the waiting list queue to be reassessed), and we're not very far from them in Derby. Postcode lottery madness.

MarioandLuigi · 04/02/2011 10:46

The family live very close to us and the little boy attends a school within the same 'family' of schools thsat my DS will and I am so worried that this will just be the start for Nottinghamshite

And with thier Anti-statement stance it could be even worse.

MarioandLuigi · 04/02/2011 10:46

NottinghamsHire - that was a mistake Blush

silverfrog · 04/02/2011 11:42

it is sadly nothing new.

before we wised up and went private (and I than my lucky stars every day that we could afford it), we were pushed form pillar to post for SALT.

dd1 was first assessed at 20 months. no -pre-school SALT available in the county.

we saw no one until we got angry when she was nearly 3. still no pre-school SALT, but it was ok, we were being placed on the case load of the SALT who specialised in over 3s. this woudl mean a 4 month wait.

dd1 turned 3. we heard nothing. we got angry angain, and demanded a meeting. in the meeting, the senior SALT, who had told us she specialised in over 3s, only 4 months previously, had now miraculously changed her secialism to under 3s, so dd1 still did not qualify.

stillno SALT, as no pre-school service.

we got very angry, and got allocated a SALT form the SN school (who turned out ot be worse than useless, but there oyu go).

dd1 went to pre-school. still no regular SALT. as she approached school, we were told there was no SALT for school aged children...

sadly htis is not just due to the cuts. SALT services have been in disarray ofr years. it is well known that ASD children are mostly fobbed off wrt SALT, as their problems are not "fixable" (ie are not easier pronunciation problems. I do not mean isues like oral dyspraxia here, I mean routine toddler mis-pronunciations)

it is a total postcode lottery. some areas have pre-school services, some have school services. all have a cut off at some point.

no child shoud be turned away due to age (whether too young or too old), but it has been happening for years.

dd1 is now nearly 7, and has never had nhs SALT services, and we could not get it written into her statement. she has never had OT either, despite severe OT issues. again, the service did not exist for children under the age of 6. this is not news.

nymphadora · 04/02/2011 12:02

We had similar to silverfrog. Dd2 was too young then too old. She got her salt at school from 5 but every appt they say she is ok. Now 9 & nowhere near a 9 yo but understandable by most people. Last 3 years has been a monthly check up then school does therapy with her. I'm now actively avoiding the appts (all that involves is not asking) as they are v keen to get rid of her but that would drop her off SA+ so would rather keep that. Good job school is v good.

working9while5 · 04/02/2011 12:50

Aaaargh!

Why is such variation allowed? Why do some areas have secondary services (and even deliver Post-16 training) while others justify this type of cut?

You know, you people are making me want to go private. I don't really have the confidence for it yet (and can't imagine running a business ) but I am finding the system more and more difficult to bear.

Though, to add something more positive, one of the schools I work in has given the go ahead for joint sessions in secondary English classes - we are going to work as a team where the teacher and I will deliver content - I will do the speaking and listening stuff, teach active listening and vocabulary strategies but based on the teacher's plan (who will check curricular emphasis etc). Did first session yesterday and a student that normally never contributes was able to communicate his ideas for a script and "act" out 10 lines.

More and more, I think that as children spend the majority of their time in class that this is what is needed to maximise language learning opportunities: push in support/true teamwork. Including the child. It's all the rage in the States but I am very grateful to have been given the budget to work on it by this school (an Academy). Ideally I would back it up with some pull-out to work on the underlying impairment but Rome wasn't built in a day..

auntevil · 04/02/2011 14:25

In answer - yes - the world is mad.

I have to admit that the SALT service for my DS has been very good. I have no criticisms.
What i worry about in all of the services that we need - SALT, OT , Physio etc is how randomly those that hold the purse strings can move the goalposts to fulfil their mystery criteria. You could have 2 parents go to their GPs on the same day, in the same pct and have 2 completely different pathways to access services such as SALT.
All provision for our DCs is a lottery.

Mario - tsk, tsk, - a freudian slip me thinks! pmsl by the way Grin

AlysWho · 04/02/2011 14:29

From the other side of the coin - Been speaking to my friend who's sister lives in N'hamshire, and is completing her final years training to become a SALT.
She wants to specialise in SEN children, but is having to consider moving- because she cant get any work there!!
MAD

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working9while5 · 04/02/2011 14:34

Oh there is loads of this going on. Two of the three final year students we had on placements in the trust last year have qualified but are unable to find work as SLTs. One is now employed as an LSA in a local primary, another working in a cafe. We have a volunteer joining us this year as work is so scarce, but obviously few people can afford to get experience in this way.

troublewithtalk · 04/02/2011 14:40

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MarioandLuigi · 04/02/2011 15:14

They have actually changed the system round here. Appointments used to be given to you by the SALT - they now have a central appointment system so that DS will get one when one is available, god only knows when that will be, but I have been told it might not be before Easter (and we havent seen anybody since August).

Actually it is bloody shite! I cant afford to pay for a private SALT because I am having to pay a private OT to help DS with all his sensory problems (we have a worse problem with NHS OT's here). I am tired of being fobbed off and told the SALT is at the other end of the phone at any time when that is bollocks. His last two IEP's have had no Speech and Language targets and the last tw we were set were crap ( 1)Try and get him drinking from a straw - he wont, and 2) do him a visual timetable of the day ahead - he doesnt understand it as its too much information, have had to go back to now and then board. I cant get her help so I am stuck on my own. Luckily we have a great Inclusion lady who is helping us but that stops when he reaches 5.

Sorry for the rant Blush

troublewithtalk · 04/02/2011 15:35

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MarioandLuigi · 04/02/2011 15:39

I couldnt find a local one so had to go out of county.

TotalChaos · 04/02/2011 15:43

Sad thing is the sit was pretty dire under labour but looks like it is getting even worse

TheTimeTravellersWife · 04/02/2011 16:20

Oh! I am just so angry at David Cameron's comment about having to make a fight for services.

All I ever do is "fight" to get the services DD needs and once I have obtained them (via SENDIST Tribunal) I have to be continually vigilant to make sure that she continues to get the hard one support at school; no easy task!

working9while5 · 04/02/2011 16:22

How can he justifiably say that someone needs to fight? He's supposed to be bloody well in charge of the country, ffs. I hate all this shrugging shoulder "well what can I do about it" stuff that he's doing, tutting at the councils when, actually, he has the power to do things a different way...

baileyandtinks · 04/02/2011 16:46

oh wow Grin i eat my word (maybe too soon to say that mind you ) earlier on this thread i wrote never had a SALT follow up ooh first draft statement received today says he needs SLT at the new school when he gets there ,PMSL no kidding lol

baileyandtinks · 04/02/2011 16:50

oh and hes 10 not 6 btw , wether he actually gets it ever will prob be another thing tho hey ...

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