I need your help folks... Not the average sleep thread

[Thecarrotcake]

Following on from my post on the marshmallow eye thread.

Is there anything that will help with staying asleep yelling, shouting and fighting and waking the house up.

We have cracked going to sleep with routine, Epsom salts, lavendar etc

But ds is now waking everyone up with his dreaming..
Through the day if it's in his head.. It will come out verbally ( and sometimes lashing out or jumping about).. And so it happens at night with I'm assuming dreams.

His stress level is low at the moment, he's been pretty happy and meltdowns are less.. There isn't anything on his worry board.. No change in routine.. Nothing I can think of to set this off.

He doesn't remember waking up or any dreams.. But we, are all shattered!

Last nights yelling carried on till about 5am on and off.. No matter how much I tried to settle him.

So I need ideas before I call the paed

I have no idea but I have a psycologist coming out on Monday to start working on something very similar to this (but I've not cracked the getting to sleep thing yet). My ds sleep walks and will go into dd's room and wake her up and into ours and wake us up. He has no recollection of it in the morning. If I get anything from the psycologist I'll let you know.

Newname.. That would be great thankyou :)

These are pricey but very useful with sleep issues/ safety issues at night. very calming. www.safespaces.co.uk/carer-reviews/

Thanks beach. Not quite what I'm looking for at the moment ( but good to know they exist :)) unless they are soundproof!

I have read (can't remember where, sorry) that talking in sleep/nightmares can be a symptom of yeast/fungal overgrowth in the gut, which have some sort of toxic effect. Is your ds prone to fungal infections? That might imply low zinc and low-ish immune system (in my ds gluten affected Zn absorption until we went gf).

My ds didn't talk in his sleep, but suffered prolonged fungal infections unti we started on Zn supplement (I tested his hair which showed Zn deficiency).

No fungle infections.... But I'll have a look at the GF thing.. Thank you :)

Malatonim?

Melatonin only helps get to sleep I think............

Another thing you could consider is vit Bs which have a de-stressing/relaxing effect, this would be for sleep not for night terrors though.

i dont know if my gp is right to suggest this but she said we dont like handing out px for melatonin (although i went to her at my wits end with neither my DS or i having a decent nights sleep it 3 months)i wasnt thinking of myself but my DS who had such circles around his eyes and was having more and more meltdowns , she suggested using the drowsy obviously not the non drowsy piriton, ive tried it it did help in as much as not to get to sleep that still took 2 to 4 hrs but made him sleep in and stay asleep all night, i dont think it sounds ethical though and why as hes ASD wouldnt she let me have the melatonin

Thanks for the suggestions :) won't try piriton as it weirdly make ds hyper!

Am keeping a night diary so hopefully the paed will have some ideas.

Just wondering Carrot - what causes this pattern of sleeping in the NT mind? My NT brother used to sleepwalk and swear like a trouper in a really aggressive manner throughout his sleep, but only through a certain age (teenage years). Apparently he only chunters occasionally now - and no sleep walking. I just wondered if hormones play a part and that although it may never go, it may reduce?

If you can ensure DS has a safe environment and not able to get out of the house I would consider ear plugs, it sounds silly but if its just the noise thats bothering you I'd give it a try - cheap and effective. I used to work nights so know they work