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kelly74 · 20/01/2011 19:25

hi i have set a group up in facebook

parents of disabled children against the coalition government

come join in

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raven666 · 20/01/2011 19:40

how do i find you on fb i am not that good on it? just joined mums net finding my feet am a parent of two severly austistic children .

kelly74 · 20/01/2011 20:21

hi type in parents of disabled children against the coalition government

and you should find us

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MummyNadine · 20/01/2011 21:05

Hi Kelly,

I would like to go even further!!!
Tell me what you think of my message that I have already posted on another thread - or am I just ranting?!

Hi,I am a mum and carer of a severely disabled daughter who has recently developed epilepsy, and the past few months have seen me near breaking point. I do feel that our disabled children have become the villains of the peace - despite never doing anyone any harm. What I mean is they are directly suffering the consequences of the banking crisis and the government bailout, without which there would not be all this government spending cuts. I would really LOVE to start a pressure group, and embarrass some of these bankers, whose recklessness is the main cause of all this, to start making charitable donations to families where their contributions would make a HUGE difference!!! Don't rely on the government to tax their multi million pound bonuses, rather try and embarrass them into making contributions to all the people who are so badly affected by their original actions, for which they do not seem to have to suffer any consequences - instead it is families of severely disabled children who are doing everything they can to cope and to care who are suffering the most as a direct result of the governments bailout of the banks!

StartingAfresh · 20/01/2011 21:57

Okay, I'm not a fan of the current government but I don't think that is really the right angle.

It should be more about getting decent service provision rather than attacking a political party.

Disability is, after all, a cross-party issue, and quite frankly we were shafted by the last government too.

donkeyderby · 21/01/2011 09:04

the last government made moves - never enough of course - to increase provision for disabled children via Aiming High, the introduction of tax credits with a disability component, increased access to DLA, the introduction of Direct Payments and more. I would disagree with you Starting that the last government shafted us but they could have done more

auntevil · 21/01/2011 10:27

The issue of good provision for any age group with a disability is far greater than government. The government of the day only reflects the wishes of the majority (debatable!) of the society as a whole. Until this majority accept that all people in society should have equal rights to education, health and a safe environment, then nothing will change.
A small example of this. My NT DS fell and hurt his ankle. He was seen in A&E, followed up by 2 further appointments and had a Physio appointment all within 2 months. My Dyspraxic DS, finds his hands seizing up more frequently and is in need of a review for his OT. It is affecting his ability to do most manual activities. Waiting time to be seen again 17 months so far - and counting.
Whilst i have nothing but praise for the speedy treatment of DS2(NT), I find the time waiting for for DS1 to be ridiculous to the point of cruel.
If ALL families routinely waited this length of time for appointments - society would be up in arms and the system would start changing.

Agnesdipesto · 21/01/2011 10:29

I worked for families with children with CP injured at birth doing negligence actions for years and I can assure you the problems Riven etc face have always been around. There has always been a massive shortfall in provision. I don't doubt it is getting worse but its always been appalling.

I met some amazing families (never expecting at that point to have a disabled child myself) who just never got a break. They were all devoted to their children but often at breaking point. It was always so unfair that when you could prove medical negligence at birth the child got round the clock care for life and where you couldn't the child was left with substandard provision,

The question in my mind is how if a child has CP due to negligence and goes to court and wins a Judge will decide that the needs of that child are round the clock team of carers, an adapted house, regular OT, physio etc, equipment, loss of earnings that the child would have earned if not damaged at birth etc etc - multi million £ claims; yet a Council assessing a child with the same circumstances decides 6 hours a week respite meets need. Some of my clients with CP as adults were able to move into their own home with a team of carers. How can a Council possibly have decided 6 hours was enough?

There probably needs to be some national guidance on what is reasonable - I guess Cameron is thinking this way with their love of vouchers eg some kind of tariff where you get a minimum of X if you have a certain level of disability. which of course raises its own problems . But I guess there needs to be some kind of minimum starting point that a child with that level of need should be having carers sleep in regularly to give the parents a break. Riven could put her child in a residential placement and some of my clients did that - but they also had the choice of saying to the court give us the money and we will make our own arrangements - and thats what Riven is saying in my mind this is what it actually costs - several £1000 a week - give me some of that money and I will do it myself for less money but not be pushed to the limit.

I don't think any govt will ever see us as a group whose votes will make a difference.

But I think you can't let the Council off the hook here no right minded person could think a child with this level of needs only requires 6 hours a week. Most elderly people who get meals on wheels get more than that - but then the elderly vote is more important.

I hope some nice pro bono lawyer pops up and helps Riven there must be a legal way of challenging such a crass decision. The assessment has to be made on need not on resources and I don't think there is a person in the country who thinks 6 hours was a reasonable assessment of need.

What we need is a nice pool of lawyers who will act for free and take these councils to task.

We also need some sanctions so when councils break the law and under assess to save money they are fined and there is some disincentive to doing it again. At the moment the whole system of SS and Education is based on giving the minimum and seeing if the parents challenge it - waiting for children to fail or parents to break down before they drip in a bit extra.

I think there is a real problem with councils making these decisions without some sort of national criteria - many councils seem to have a culture of denying provision whenever they can, knowing even if they caught out there is no penalty to having delayed. They are still quids in even if they have acted appallingly.

Its a great shame its so hard to sue councils for negligence - whatever people think about negligence lawyers there is no question that hospital care got a lot better once the NHS had to pay out for gross mistakes. Doctors did not improve standards of their own accord they did it because they were frightened of being sued. Councils will only change when they are forced to or fined for getting it wrong.

There is money there - Councils just choose to spend it on things which are popular rather than those which they are obliged to provide. Councils have been told to publish a list of what they spend which costs over £500 - I am sure we will see that whilst they can't apparently afford respite they can afford hanging baskets and flower beds, first class rail travel, swimming pools, firework displays etc. If there is genuinely not enough money they should limit spending on things they have a legal duty to provide not on things which are discretionary but vote winners.

Its not just Councils of course there was a recent report which showed childrens services were a cinderella service in the NHS eg its easier to get speech therapy and physio if you have a stroke in your 70's than it is if you are a 2 year old disabled child. Disabled children don't have a voice or a vote. Thats the main problem.

StartingAfresh · 21/01/2011 18:50

donkeyderby My hell on earth pretty much all happened under the last government.

What I meant though was that disability provision is a societal thing rather than a political thing. The Government can get away with what it does because people don't care, at least they don't care as much as they do about other things.

I don't think making it about the coalition government is helpful, because it looks like the whinging of some poor lefties wanting free money (because that is how the current government like to portray us), so it is better to direct the anger at our culture and apathy to try and get support from and not alienate those who support the current government that 'might' have some sympathy.

Lord knows my previous post wasn't in their defense.

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