What do these school scores mean please?

[brandy77]

On sons SA turn down letter that i only received today it has the scores for reading,writing etc in the pack of information sent with it.

They all begin with a P but there is no information for what this means

P8 Reading
P6 writing
P8 maths

anyone know?

And emotional development etc the scores are EYFS and between 4-8 for various different things like creative development, emotional development etc

I feel quite sorry for him now actually and can see why i have problems getting him to school, comments like "fine motor skills are poor, finds it difficult to hold a pencil..." "has a poor attitude to learning and lacks confidence" "requires constant support to complete a task" "unable to concentrate for long periods and at times doesnt concentrate at all"

lots of positives, like hes happy in school i still cant figure that out as if hes happy why the hell cant i get him in!

Thankyou for any replies, i actually had a very well deserved day out in london to watch Billy Elliot today! fantastic production! I think i should have opened this pack tomorow

national curriculum levels start at W (working towards) then level 1 , 2 3 etc

P levels are pivot scores where a child is working below level W and I think the lowest is p1 working up to P10 or 12(but I wait to be corrected cause this is a long time ago in my memory)

but at least by having levels recorded you can see the progress(or lack of) and this will help you in preparing for an appeal for a statement

Info on P scales here

EYFS here

comments like "fine motor skills are poor, finds it difficult to hold a pencil..." "has a poor attitude to learning and lacks confidence" "requires constant support to complete a task" "unable to concentrate for long periods and at times doesnt concentrate at all"

To get a statement you need to have evidence that your DS cannot access the curriculm. The above comments should be useful in that respect. Good luck with your appeal

thankyou chatee and thankyou agnes, just looking at your links now.x

thankyou eviebaby, i think i need to speak to the senco who is his class teacher and it also states in the pack that my son gets support daily and has 3x clever fingers activities a week to help his fine motor skills......the teacher had told me that he didnt receive any support as they couldnt provide it seems odd its now written that he IS getting support!

Ive worked with teenagers as a TA with kids that are described with same comments applying to my son above, and they ran riot in secondary school and were unteachable basically, that really worries me a lot

Ok firstly don't worry abbot secondary school yet

What year is your son in ? If he is in mainstream and on p levels I would have thought he should be getting support daily automatically: Alarm bells are ringing that his teacher is the senco and saying that support is not happening but is written

I would arrange a meeting with the head asap to find out exactly what is being provided and get on to statementing fast

Good luck

hi missmarples, hes just been turned down for an assessment hes in year 1. mum said to me that someone is lying! its in writing by the senco at last TAC meeting that they cannot provide support and now all of sudden when learning abilities are requested by LEA they are apparently giving support, most odd.

Ive got to take my son in for half hour with myself on monday to try and gradually get him back into school so i will request a meeting with the SENCO to start with, she is a lot more approachable than the head

hes not even got an IEP which again is odd, hes been school action plus since reception and early years plus in playschool

brandy77 Being refused a SA doesn't mean your child doesn't need one.

Are you going to appeal?

Shall I start a thread asking everyone who had been refused a statutory assessment but kept going and then got a statement to sign in?

It really is rather a lot!

lol, yes i know ive read it on here a lot startingafresh

just makes me dither that if hes nearing level 1 apparently on those p scores then he must be ok, cant believe it really as his attendance is about 60% or lower and the comments in my first post sound awful, poor boy, the comparison between the scores and the comments are so different. thankyou.x

academic level has no bearing on whether a child is progressing adequately.

Therefore, the words hold more weight than the scores.

thankyou startingafresh, your last comment will probably allow me to sleep at least now, i know that sounds stupid but im here alone and my brain is running riot,lol, youre right the comments are more worrying so i wont give up yet as i was pondering on that earlier, thankyou.x

brandy he's not nearing level 1 - he's working below W. Level 1 comes after W. Those scores indicate that he is underachieving but not why. When the ed psych sees him he'll be assessed more thoroughly - you can use these P scores as evidence that he needs that ed psych assessment.

thankyou cornslik,so i would include the teachers statements on my tribunal letter then? ive only got 4 weeks left to write as ive only just received my LA pack, its taken 4 weeks of them sending to the wrong address and me making numerous phone calls! Also at the TAC meeting beginning february IF the ed psyche attends as the senco has requested, would i produce the teachers comments then and say its obvious he needs assessing for learning and not just medical.

The main reason they turned him down for the SA was because they said "that his main difficultes related to his medical needs...for a child where medical issues were the main need SA would normally be carried out where the medical condition caused substantial and extensive barriers to learning........case evidence did not seem to support the fact that his medical condition was causing substantial and extensive barriers to his learning"

mmmm well if its not medical that causing his learning delay its certainly something else and does explain why the poor boy doesnt want to go to school

" its in writing by the senco at last TAC meeting that they cannot provide support and now all of sudden when learning abilities are requested by LEA they are apparently giving support, most odd. " It is DEFINITELY odd. I would be questioning this. And since you have both in writing, that's proof that something is not quite right. Make sure you keep all this paperwork that has conflicting info and wrong addresses - well, honestly, you need to keep all paperwork anyway, even something that might appear minor. We do, and it's been quite helpful. (DS2 has had a number of injuries to his forehead, all occurring at school, and the dr at the A&E recently asked a lot of questions about his "frequent head injuries" and where they occurred. I quite calmly pointed out that we have a number of papers from the school stating "DS2 hit his head today....").

Our senco had the IEP put together for DS2 almost immediately. My understanding is that anyone on school action or school action plus is supposed to have one (although I'm sure someone else on here will know for certain).

hi triggles, god thats worrying with your sons head injuries!

i think i need to be asking the senco lots of questions this week, apparently he doesnt have an IEP because hes school action plus for his medical needs all the school do at present is monitor his toilet trips! its obvious there is a learning problem so i will def be asking why there isnt an IEP in place . thankyou.x

No, P Scales are level W. It's not unusual at all for a child at the start of Y1 to be below level 1 - ie P scales.

Not saying he doesn't need a statement. But definately saying these scores are not horrendous.

brandy - after much discussion (it's occurred both at separate preschool and at primary school), we have realised that he does not put his arms/hands out to break his fall when he falls down. We're not sure if it's due to not realising right away that he's falling or if he simply doesn't have the instinct in place to do so. And don't have a clue if it's related to ASD or dyspraxia either. So will be bringing it up at his OT appointment on Wednesday. And yes, it is worrying, as he's had some horrendous knocks to the forehead on the pavement with golf ball sized lumps on more than a couple occasions. He just fell over again the other day (again on school property but I was with him that time) and banged his forehead. I don't think the scar will ever go away as it never actually gets time to heal fully. (An older child might relish the whole Harry Potter scar look, but honestly DS2 doesn't even know who Harry Potter is LOL)